How many B & B horror models do you need for fielding Pink Horrors?

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**skybax**

These Tzeentch models are getting better and better.

If somebody was to run Pink Horrors, how many Blue and Brimstone horrors would they realistically need? Is it necessary to have 20 blues and 20 brimstones for every 10 pinks, or is a smaller number enough?

**mrhappyface**

Realistically you require 2xblue and 2xbrim for every 1 pink. However, you could paint your pink horrors half blue, half pink and reuse them as blues, so you would need 2x as many pink horrors as tou are actually using and no pink horrors, you would still need 2x brim though.

Of course if you use loci of creation than you need double the blues and double the brims again.

**Fhionnuisce**

I'm not sure I would be okay with someone painting them half blue and half pink then using then as whatever they needed at the time. Too easy to get into the situation where half a unit of pink horrors died and we replaced it with a new unit of models that looked identical. I wouldn't care initially whether they were used as blue or pink, but I'd expect them to use a visually distinct model after the split.

**Captyn_Bob**

Gosh darnit brimstones are released and on 25mm bases. Imna have to rebase my sculpts

**jhe90**

One cheat might be.

Paint one horror a general colour.
Place a magnet at its base or such.

Have 3 bases with corosponding magnet, a pink rim, blue and say orange ring.

Now, said horror can be all 3 by simply swapping bases between.

**skybax**

you would need 2x as many pink horrors as tou are actually using and no pink horrors, you would still need 2x brim though.

Why, GW, why?

Probably I could get away with making some special counters - like a banner pole sticking from the ground, banner painted blue or pink or just being a big torch, and then moving slain horrors from unit with one banner to another. This would maybe help with making them disctinctive.

But I still would have an issue with the model size for the purpose of LOS. And the base size.

The 3 bases could work, at least except for the LOS part.

When I think about it, keeping my force to Nurgle only doesn't sound so bad

**Ecdain**

jhe90 wrote:
One cheat might be.

Paint one horror a general colour.
Place a magnet at its base or such.

Have 3 bases with corosponding magnet, a pink rim, blue and say orange ring.

Now, said horror can be all 3 by simply swapping bases between.

This is perfect, the ocd in me would love to field the proper colors/models but economically speaking this will literally save hundreds of $$

**SicSemperTyrannis**

20 Pink Horrros (split in 2)
40 Blue Horrors (split in 1)
40 Brimstone Horrros

20 Pink Horrors with an Loci of Creation from an Herald (split in 4)
80 Blue Horrors (split in 2)
160 Brimstone Horrors

This can´t be right..... RIGHT?

**mrhappyface**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
20 Pink Horrros (split in 2)
40 Blue Horrors (split in 1)
40 Brimstone Horrros

20 Pink Horrors with an Loci of Creation from an Herald (split in 4)
80 Blue Horrors (split in 2)
160 Brimstone Horrors

This can´t be right..... RIGHT?

Isn't it fun!

**Captyn_Bob**

You would have to move your locus Herald from the pinks to the blues to get that many brimstones, which is probably not gonna happen in practice... But still... So no fun.

**Scorpionov**

its no fun for the enemy either

**Galef**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
20 Pink Horrros (split in 2)
40 Blue Horrors (split in 1)
40 Brimstone Horrros

20 Pink Horrors with an Loci of Creation from an Herald (split in 4)
80 Blue Horrors (split in 2)
160 Brimstone Horrors

This can´t be right..... RIGHT?

It isn't right unless you manage to get the Herald in the unit of Blues for the Locus to work on them. It is highly unlikely that something would kill all 20 Pinks while leaving the Herald alive.
What is more likely is that some Pinks get split into Blues, then the enemy focuses fire on the Blues
Basically, turning 20 Pinks into 160 Brims is so ridiculously unlikely that anyone planning for this is going to be disappointed.

Here is what I am doing:
I already have 5 Blue horrors from the chariot kit and will be getting 2 boxes of Blue, which give my 25 Blues
Out of that, I am painting 9 Pink & 16 Blue, with their eyes and tongues the inverse color
Then I will paint 2 Brimstone models Pink and 4 Blue, the rest yellow/orange

This way I can start with either 11 Pink models, or 2x 11 Blue models, using the pink & blue Brimstones as unit "fillers" which may be based 1 per base rather than as a pair
The main 2 reasons I am doing it this way are
A) I have always hated the size of the current Pinks (too big) and these new Blues are as big or bigger than the old metal Pinks (which are still valid models to use)
B) I highly doubt I would even need the exact ratio of Brimstones, so having a few that are "imitating" their older bros is not only funny, but practical.

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**koooaei**

So, the plan is working? Who could have thought!

**rawne2510**

skybax wrote:
These Tzeentch models are getting better and better.

If somebody was to run Pink Horrors, how many Blue and Brimstone horrors would they realistically need? Is it necessary to have 20 blues and 20 brimstones for every 10 pinks, or is a smaller number enough?

This will depend how many units of pink horrors you are running. If you are running just 1 unit then I would say make the correct number. If you are looking to run 3 - 4 10 man units then maybe break down as below

40 pink
60 blue
40 - 50 brimstone

The likelihood of you losing all your pink horrors before any of your blue horrors are killed is low. The same for the brimstone one

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
You would have to move your locus Herald from the pinks to the blues to get that many brimstones, which is probably not gonna happen in practice... But still... So no fun.

unless you had the incursion formations which make the Loci 12" bubble not just the heralds unit.

**Galef**

rawne2510 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
You would have to move your locus Herald from the pinks to the blues to get that many brimstones, which is probably not gonna happen in practice... But still... So no fun.

unless you had the incursion formations which make the Loci 12" bubble not just the heralds unit.

So many people (including myself) keep forgetting that the Loci bubble rule does NOT apply to the Locus of Creation. The Loci bubble applies to 3 specific Loci listed in its rule
And even if it did work, the Loci bubble only affects model from the formation, which Blues are not part of.

But otherwise, I think you are right about the ratios. If only taking 1-2 unit of Pinks, do the correct 1:2 ratio of Pink:Blue and 1:1 ratio of Blue:Brim
If doing 3+ units of Pinks, a 2:3 ratio works best for Pink:Blue, with less than 1:1 for Brimstones

For Example: 40 Pinks would probably never split to more than 50-60 Blues before some of those Blues get further split to Brims
In any case, I recommend players who do not already have Pink horror models to only be boxes of Blues and paint some of them Pink. You'll be more Brimstones that way

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**Captyn_Bob**

. That's.. terrifying..

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Aaand immediately isn't.

**rawne2510**

Galef wrote:

So many people (including myself) keep forgetting that the Loci bubble rule does NOT apply to the Locus of Creation. The Loci bubble applies to 3 specific Loci listed in its rule
And even if it did work, the Loci bubble only affects model from the formation, which Blues are not part of.

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Um isn´t the Loci bubble applied to any loci that the herald has. the locus of creation from magnus book replace the locus of creation in daemon codex??

**SagesStone**

mrhappyface wrote:
SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
20 Pink Horrros (split in 2)
40 Blue Horrors (split in 1)
40 Brimstone Horrros

20 Pink Horrors with an Loci of Creation from an Herald (split in 4)
80 Blue Horrors (split in 2)
160 Brimstone Horrors

This can´t be right..... RIGHT?

Isn't it fun!

Scratch build them!

Spoiler:

**Galef**

rawne2510 wrote:

Um isn´t the Loci bubble applied to any loci that the herald has. the locus of creation from magnus book replace the locus of creation in daemon codex??

Nope. the Harbringer of Tzeetch rule specifically says it applies to the Loci of Transmogrification, Change & Conjuration. It does not say it applies to all Loci, just those 3

**Ravingbantha**

I would say aim for 1/2 to 2/3rds the maximum number you would need. So if you own 40 Pink Horrors, I would aim for 40-60 blue and 40-60 brimstone horrors. The reason for this is, I doubt you'll need all the Blues and Brimstones at once. In theory, you'll be loosing Blues and Brimstones that come into play long before you get them all on the table.

**Skerr**

Hi all,

I still need to buy WoM and the Demon Codex.

So that I am clear.

If summon 1 unit of 10 Pink Horrors will that potentially split into 10 or 20 blues?

And the subsequent split blues, do they then split into an equal number of brimstone horrors?

No fancy wargear to boost summons or anything just a straight 10 man unit of pinks.

Thanks for dummying it down for me.

**Captyn_Bob**

10 pinks splits to max 20 blues. Each blue splits into one base of brimstones, with 2 per base.

So for every 10 pinks, you should have 20 bases of blues and 20 bases of brims.

**Skerr**

Thanks Capn"

**Ravingbantha**

Captyn_Bob wrote:
10 pinks splits to max 20 blues. Each blue splits into one base of brimstones, with 2 per base.

So for every 10 pinks, you should have 20 bases of blues and 20 bases of brims.

Not true, normally 10 pinks split into 20 blues, who split into 20 Brimstones, but that's not the 'max' that can happen. If you have a herald in group with 'Exalted Locus of Creation', then 10 pinks become 40 blues, who can become 80 brimstones.

**Skerr**

Ravingbantha wrote:
Captyn_Bob wrote:
10 pinks splits to max 20 blues. Each blue splits into one base of brimstones, with 2 per base.

So for every 10 pinks, you should have 20 bases of blues and 20 bases of brims.

Not true, normally 10 pinks split into 20 blues, who split into 20 Brimstones, but that's not the 'max' that can happen. If you have a herald in group with 'Exalted Locus of Creation', then 10 pinks become 40 blues, who can become 80 brimstones.

Thanks Rav,

I think he was answering my specific question which was what would be the number without any special wargear or anything to boost summons

**rawne2510**

Ravingbantha wrote:
Captyn_Bob wrote:
10 pinks splits to max 20 blues. Each blue splits into one base of brimstones, with 2 per base.

So for every 10 pinks, you should have 20 bases of blues and 20 bases of brims.

Not true, normally 10 pinks split into 20 blues, who split into 20 Brimstones, but that's not the 'max' that can happen. If you have a herald in group with 'Exalted Locus of Creation', then 10 pinks become 40 blues, who can become 80 brimstones.

He did say no fancy wargear or anything.

**Glitcha**

jhe90 wrote:
One cheat might be.

Paint one horror a general colour.
Place a magnet at its base or such.

Have 3 bases with corosponding magnet, a pink rim, blue and say orange ring.

Now, said horror can be all 3 by simply swapping bases between.

While this sounds like a great idea, blue horrors are half the size of a pink horror and a brimstone horror is half the size of a blue horror.

**Galef**

Glitcha wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
One cheat might be.

Paint one horror a general colour.
Place a magnet at its base or such.

Have 3 bases with corosponding magnet, a pink rim, blue and say orange ring.

Now, said horror can be all 3 by simply swapping bases between.

While this sounds like a great idea, blue horrors are half the size of a pink horror and a brimstone horror is half the size of a blue horror.

Point of fact, the Blue Horrors are still a tinsy bit bigger than the old metal Pink Horrors. Since those metal Pinks are still a vaild model to use, painting some of the new Blues pink is perfectly fine

That said, Brimstones are quite a bit different than Blue & Pinks, so simply changing the base might not be the ideal solution for all Horrors.
It might work to only get boxes of the Blue/Brims, paint the Blue Horrors varying shades of purple and magnetize Blue & Pink bases as suggested above, but model up the Brims as they come (maybe split a few pairs into 1 Brim per base to get more actual bases of Brims)

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**Captyn_Bob**

Yeah, I'm gonna paint my set of metal horrors blue as they are much closer in size to blues than pinks.

Of course the really old metal horrors came in blue and pink flavours anyway.