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**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

r_squared wrote:
I'm waiting for the interview where May is questioned relentlessly about her position on gay sex.

It will happen on the same day that Lord Lucan, riding Shergar, gallops past 10 Downing street.

**Whirlwind**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I'm not being overly critical - this is feeble stuff from Labour. Setting out an agenda to tackle the root causes of problems blighting the NHS and planning for future problems e.g the rise of diabetes and an ageing population, is what is need. Not a pay rise here, a pay rise there.

It is overly critical though if you haven't read their proposals in full (which we don't yet have). It may just be part of the strategy for improving the NHS and that this is just a soundbite (as it speaks at a personal level) which every politician uses because you can't read a manifesto to the public as it would take hours. At least they are stating something as to what they are going to do. The sum of the Tories responses have been look what we've done; look how badly they did (over 7 years ago); everyone else will just a be a nationalistic nightmare for the country (despite the fact we ourselves are a nationalistic nightmare)....As per the last election they are playing on fears again rather than anything positive.

I'm all for being critical but only when we have the relevant information.

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r_squared wrote:
I'm waiting for the interview where May is questioned relentlessly about her position on gay sex.

Lol, now that would be funny. Instead we're more likely to get drivel about how she spent Easter wandering lost around Wales.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Whirlwind wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I'm not being overly critical - this is feeble stuff from Labour. Setting out an agenda to tackle the root causes of problems blighting the NHS and planning for future problems e.g the rise of diabetes and an ageing population, is what is need. Not a pay rise here, a pay rise there.

It is overly critical though if you haven't read their proposals in full (which we don't yet have). It may just be part of the strategy for improving the NHS and that this is just a soundbite (as it speaks at a personal level) which every politician uses because you can't read a manifesto to the public as it would take hours. At least they are stating something as to what they are going to do. The sum of the Tories responses have been look what we've done; look how badly they did (over 7 years ago); everyone else will just a be a nationalistic nightmare for the country (despite the fact we ourselves are a nationalistic nightmare)....As per the last election they are playing on fears again rather than anything positive.

I'm all for being critical but only when we have the relevant information.

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r_squared wrote:
I'm waiting for the interview where May is questioned relentlessly about her position on gay sex.

Lol, now that would be funny. Instead we're more likely to get drivel about how she spent Easter wandering lost around Wales.

No offence Whirlwind, but manifestos these days could probably be written on the back of a beer mat. If you're expecting detail from any party, then you've come to the wrong place.

**Whirlwind**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

No offence Whirlwind, but manifestos these days could probably be written on the back of a beer mat. If you're expecting detail from any party, then you've come to the wrong place.

Well Corbyn did say he would rip up the rulebook, maybe this is how he would start.

However even if it wasn't they could still list a number of actions with the pay rises being just one of them. For example they could suggest they set Daleks on anyone over the age of 66....

. That benefits them both in voter representation and reduces NHS expenditure.

**Kilkrazy**

r_squared wrote:
I'm waiting for the interview where May is questioned relentlessly about her position on gay sex.

69, presumably?

Back to normal service. I have noticed an worrying pattern of phraseology used by Tory minister/spokespeople when questioned about funding of the NHS, schools, etc.

It goes something like this:

"You don't need to worry about the [lack of] money going into the XXX because IF [emphasis mine] we get a good result at the Brexit negotiations [thanks to a thumping Tory majority for Our Glorious Leader May] then the economy will grow [faster than it would have done without all the complications of Brexit] and there will be plenty of money for everybody."

This glosses over the current lack of funding, appeals for a strong vote for the Tories, punts the real question of funding three or four years down the road, and prepares the ground for a bad result which will of course be blamed on someone else, such as those invidious Europeans, or Remainers, or anyone but the government who have got the country into this dangerous situation.

I might be paranoid, or I might have been around the block a few times.

**Mozzyfuzzy**

Kilkrazy wrote:
r_squared wrote:
I'm waiting for the interview where May is questioned relentlessly about her position on gay sex.

69, presumably?

Back to normal service. I have noticed an worrying pattern of phraseology used by Tory minister/spokespeople when questioned about funding of the NHS, schools, etc.

It goes something like this:

"You don't need to worry about the [lack of] money going into the XXX because IF [emphasis mine] we get a good result at the Brexit negotiations [thanks to a thumping Tory majority for Our Glorious Leader May] then the economy will grow [faster than it would have done without all the complications of Brexit] and there will be plenty of money for everybody."

This glosses over the current lack of funding, appeals for a strong vote for the Tories, punts the real question of funding three or four years down the road, and prepares the ground for a bad result which will of course be blamed on someone else, such as those invidious Europeans, or Remainers, or anyone but the government who have got the country into this dangerous situation.

I might be paranoid, or I might have been around the block a few times.

Why not both?

**MonkeyBallistic**

Kilkrazy wrote:

Back to normal service. I have noticed an worrying pattern of phraseology used by Tory minister/spokespeople when questioned about funding of the NHS, schools, etc.

It goes something like this:

"You don't need to worry about the [lack of] money going into the XXX because IF [emphasis mine] we get a good result at the Brexit negotiations [thanks to a thumping Tory majority for Our Glorious Leader May] then the economy will grow [faster than it would have done without all the complications of Brexit] and there will be plenty of money for everybody."

This glosses over the current lack of funding, appeals for a strong vote for the Tories, punts the real question of funding three or four years down the road, and prepares the ground for a bad result which will of course be blamed on someone else, such as those invidious Europeans, or Remainers, or anyone but the government who have got the country into this dangerous situation.

I might be paranoid, or I might have been around the block a few times.

That's the whole point of a referendum isn't it? So government can abdicate all responsibility and if it all goes tits up, can shrug and say, "well that's what you wanted wasn't it?"

**Future War Cultist**

Oh hey, Malia Bouattia got the boot as president of the NUS. Good riddance to bad gak.

However, at this point it's just like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Scrap the whole damn thing.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Future War Cultist wrote:
Oh hey, Malia Bouattia got the boot as president of the NUS. Good riddance to bad gak.

However, at this point it's just like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Scrap the whole damn thing.

I look forward to the inevitable claims of racism and Islamophobia.

**Future War Cultist**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I look forward to the inevitable claims of racism and Islamophobia.

It'll be a Zionist plot of course.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Future War Cultist wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I look forward to the inevitable claims of racism and Islamophobia.

It'll be a Zionist plot of course.

Naturally. A Jewish student was elected "vice-president for welfare" after all. Clearly she's going to be the true power behind the throne and the new President is nought but a puppet.

**Whirlwind**

Well I see Boris the Clown is adding the usual well though out political commentary to the election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39727489
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn_uk_59018c1ee4b081a5c0fa9ff1?utm_hp_ref=uk

Not sure about his new hair style either.

We are one week in and have already got down to the level of inane name calling. Shows something about the quality of journalism in the Scum though.

Heaven knows where we will be in 6 weeks time, they will all be throwing mud pies at each other.

**Darkjim**

It would be nice if someone would take the opportunity to question BoJo about morality, the same sort of thing Tim Farron has faced in every interview he does.

"Mr. Johnson - precisely how many children have you fathered with other women whilst married, humiliating your wife in the process each time? We know about one, there are rumours of others. And how many affairs have you had during your marriage? The public have a right to know old chap."

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Whirlwind wrote:
Well I see Boris the Clown is adding the usual well though out political commentary to the election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39727489
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn_uk_59018c1ee4b081a5c0fa9ff1?utm_hp_ref=uk

Not sure about his new hair style either.

We are one week in and have already got down to the level of inane name calling. Shows something about the quality of journalism in the Scum though.

Heaven knows where we will be in 6 weeks time, they will all be throwing mud pies at each other.

To be fair to Bojo, and I don't like being fair to that

, that was an opinion piece.

**r_squared**

I see the conservatives are ramping up the project fear, Corbyn is a "dire threat" and will lead a "coalition of chaos".

Most of the Conservative supporters I know are lapping it up, and getting ready to vote to "save" the country.

If you want change, make sure you actually vote rather than just give up because its pointless.

Unless you vote for UKIP, then dont worry about it, your vote is a waste of time.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

And another thing - what's the deal with Zac Goldsmith?

He quit the Tories because of Heathrow expansion, and now he's back in the same seat...for the Tories who still back Heathrow expansion

What a shambles.

**Whirlwind**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Whirlwind wrote:
Well I see Boris the Clown is adding the usual well though out political commentary to the election

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39727489
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn_uk_59018c1ee4b081a5c0fa9ff1?utm_hp_ref=uk

Not sure about his new hair style either.

We are one week in and have already got down to the level of inane name calling. Shows something about the quality of journalism in the Scum though.

Heaven knows where we will be in 6 weeks time, they will all be throwing mud pies at each other.

To be fair to Bojo, and I don't like being fair to that , that was an opinion piece.

Its called a (news)paper, though I talk about news lightly when it comes to the Scum. An opinion piece is meant to be an opinion on the ongoing news - it's not meant to be an excuse for throwing verbal insults at other people.

If he wants to do that then he should just go and work for a trashy weekly magazine (and do us all a favour).

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r_squared wrote:
I see the conservatives are ramping up the project fear, Corbyn is a "dire threat" and will lead a "coalition of chaos".

Most of the Conservative supporters I know are lapping it up, and getting ready to vote to "save" the country.

A bit like sheep going to the slaughterhouse then.

Truck turns up - "Baaa- Tories will save us"
Unload at the abattoir (called Meat for the Rich) - "Baaa, they are just showing us around - Tories will save us"
Now Next to the compression gun - "Baaaa - Tories will save us....oh" shortly followed by a thud.

In other news apparently now we will start attacking Syria without a vote if the US asked us to, no vote in parliament or anything like that inconvenience....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39730685

Obviously what they took from the Iraq fiasco was not to let anyone know what you are doing and avoid any awkward questions. I suppose at least it means you avoid having a dodgy dossier people can pick over.

And apparently the backlash against Brexit has begun. Now more people think Brexit is a mistake than the correct decision...

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/0427/870692-british-politics-poll/

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

And apparently there was another (failed) attack at Westminster today when someone was arrested with a bag full of knives.

No points for guessing the demographic of the suspect.

**Future War Cultist**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
And apparently there was another (failed) attack at Westminster today when someone was arrested with a bag full of knives.

No points for guessing the demographic of the suspect.

Well, at least they stopped it. That's something. Until the next one that is.

**Whirlwind**

I've got to wonder how Bozo the clown actually got to be FS. He appears to have less intelligence (or acts that way) than my one year nephew has in his little finger (and that's probably being harsh on my nephew).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnsons-mugwump-jeremy-corbyn_uk_59019b83e4b081a5c0faac43?utm_hp_ref=uk

**reds8n**

In other news apparently now we will start attacking Syria without a vote if the US asked us to, no vote in parliament or anything like that inconvenience....

This'll be the taking back control we heard so much about right ?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/84c5d5aa-2ab3-11e7-ae85-aa7f1ff8d93b

At least seven international banks based in London have taken the decision to open offices in Frankfurt to beat trading restrictions in the wake of Brexit, the German city said yesterday.

A further 20 banks were in advanced talks on relocating some staff, Frankfurt officials said, as Deutsche Bank warned it might have to move up to 4,000 of its 9,000 UK employees.

The US giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup and Swiss banks Credit Suisse and UBS were all understood to be considering a relocation of London staff, German media reported.

More than 250 foreign banks operate in the UK while Frankfurt hosts about 60, including small outposts for the four floated as candidates for relocation yesterday. Frankfurt is keen to position itself as the EU base of choice once Britain leaves the single market and loses its right to authorise UK-based banks to offer services across the 27 member nations.

Banking industry sources believe Goldman Sachs has already decided to move some staff to Frankfurt despite hot competition from Paris and Dublin. Goldman Sachs did not respond to questions yesterday.
“A Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Swiss, Indian and a Russian bank have already opted for Frankfurt,” Hubertus Väth, managing director of Frankfurt Main Finance, the city’s business promotion association, told Handelsblatt yesterday.

“In three of the five US banks, decisions have been made in favour of Frankfurt, or are in the offing,” he said. “With more than 20 banks, the talks are getting more and more concrete.”

None of the banks confirmed a move and talk of decisions being made may be part of Frankfurt’s attempt to build momentum for its self-promotion campaign. Sources at Credit Suisse and UBS told The Times that Frankfurt was on the table but no decisions had been made.

Credit Suisse is understood to be looking at various EU cities to send staff to perform functions complicated by Brexit, with Dublin also a possibility.

UBS has said that Frankfurt and Madrid were being looked at but managers were waiting to see the final Brexit deal before deciding. City sources said Russian bank VTB could be lining up a Frankfurt move after saying last year it would leave the UK.

Sylvie Matherat, chief of compliance for Deutsche Bank, Germany’s largest bank, said it could move 4,000 jobs away from Britain. “For front office people who want to deal with a European Union client, you need to be based in continental Europe, and we are speaking of 2,000 people,” Ms Matherat said.

Deutsche would also have to book all trades for clients based on the continent in the EU, meaning moving large parts of its IT capacity to its home base in Frankfurt, she added. “Then local supervisors say, you must have your risk management here. That means another 2,000 people, other IT capabilities,” Ms Matherat said.

A senior Wall Street banking executive told The Times: “The absolute priority for us is that there is no client we cannot do business with as a result of Brexit. We will take whatever action is necessary to ensure that our service to our clients is not interrupted.”

Handelsblatt reported that “Brexit could cost 30,000 to 75,000 jobs on the island” from 2.2 million working in the financial sector.

The Times reported this week that Wall Street banks were considering creating “pop-up” branches in European countries after Brexit while keeping most of their work for continental clients in London. This could put them at odds with EU regulators who fear “brass plate” offices with no proper presence.

JPMorgan Chase was also said to be focusing on Warsaw as a destination for its new back office operations centre.

awesome.

**jhe90**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
And apparently there was another (failed) attack at Westminster today when someone was arrested with a bag full of knives.

No points for guessing the demographic of the suspect.

At this point thats not much of a challenge.
How many more of these damned crazies are there out there?

**Steve steveson**

I am starting to wonder if this is some attempt by the Torys to get out of government. They have seen that Brexit is going to go spectacularly wrong and is loosing support so now they are making all sorts of statements to get voted out. BoJo with this Syria and his personal attack on Corbyn, the whole "well, we might raise taxes and cut pensions".

**Kilkrazy**

r_squared wrote:
I see the conservatives are ramping up the project fear, Corbyn is a "dire threat" and will lead a "coalition of chaos".

Most of the Conservative supporters I know are lapping it up, and getting ready to vote to "save" the country.

If you want change, make sure you actually vote rather than just give up because its pointless.

Unless you vote for UKIP, then dont worry about it, your vote is a waste of time.

Given the chaos the Conservatives unleashed with their stupid referendum that was supported by less than 1/3rd of the population, it's a bit hypocritical.

**Future War Cultist**

jhe90 wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
And apparently there was another (failed) attack at Westminster today when someone was arrested with a bag full of knives.

No points for guessing the demographic of the suspect.

At this point thats not much of a challenge.
How many more of these damned crazies are there out there?

Worryingly there's thousands of the bastards up and down the country. Any day of the week any one of them could just decide that's it's jihad time and go on a car and knifing spree. Not to mention the likes of the Rottherham sex rings and other similar set ups.

Still, it's a small price to pay to be 'diverse' now, isn't it?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

jhe90 wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
And apparently there was another (failed) attack at Westminster today when someone was arrested with a bag full of knives.

No points for guessing the demographic of the suspect.

At this point thats not much of a challenge.
How many more of these damned crazies are there out there?

Several million.

**Kilkrazy**

Right, that's it. Certain members of the forum have dragged the hitherto civilised UK POlitics thread into blatant racist bigoty.

The thread is now closed.