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Michigan

I'd like your thoughts on this list and if it's legal...

Chaos Daemons with Chaos Space Marines Allies - 1846

Chaos Daemons CAD

HQ - Karanak (1) - 120pts
1 Karanak

Herald of Khorne (1) - 135pts
1 Herald of Khorne: Juggernaut of Khorne, Hellblade, Exalted Locus of Wrath, LesserReward (Axe of Khorne)

Herald of Khorne (1) - 135pts
1 Herald of Khorne: Juggernaut of Khorne, Hellblade, Exalted Locus of Wrath, LesserReward (Axe of Khorne)

Bloodletters of Khorne (10) - 100pts
10 Bloodletter

Bloodletters of Khorne (10) - 100pts
10 Bloodletter

Bloodcrushers (6) - 305pts
1 Bloodhunter: LesserReward (Axe of Khorne)
4 Bloodcrusher
1 Bloodcrusher: Banner of blood

Flesh Hounds of Khorne (8) - 128pts
8 Flesh Hound

Flesh Hounds of Khorne (8) - 128pts
8 Flesh Hound

CSM Allied Detachment

Daemon Prince of Khorne (1) - 265pts
1 Daemon Prince: The Black Mace, Power Armour, Daemonic Flight

Chaos Space Marines (10) - 175pts
1 Aspiring Champion: Champion of Chaos, Combi-Melta, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Melta Bombs
7 Chaos Space Marine: Boltgun, Bolt Pistol
2 Chaos Space Marine: Meltagun, Bolt Pistol

Chaos Space Marines (10) - 175pts
1 Aspiring Champion: Champion of Chaos, Combi-Melta, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Melta Bombs
7 Chaos Space Marine: Boltgun,Bolt Pistol
2 Chaos Space Marine: Meltagun,Bolt Pistol

Chaos Rhino (1) - 40pts
1 Chaos Rhino: Combi-Bolter, Dozer Blade

Chaos Rhino (1) - 40pts
1 Chaos Rhino: Combi-Bolter, Dozer Blade


The idea is to have Karanak go with the Bloodcrushers and Heralds go with the Flesh Hounds and have three units with Scout to pressure early and hopefully give my DP some breathing room. Six Obsec units in the vanilla Bloodletters and CSMs/Rhinos. And the DP Moving up with the scouted units/CSMs in Rhinos to cause havoc.

Here are a few questions I have...
  • Are there any glaring oversights in this list equipment wise?

  • Is having Karanak as my CADs HQ a mistake?

  • Are there enough distractions for my DP, or is my DP enough of a distraction for the rest of my army?

  • If I understand the rules, I can field both the CAD and AD turn 1 and not have to hold anything in reserves?

  • If I wanted to, could I hold my Bloodletters in reserve and DS them where I want later?

  • What would you change unit/equipment wise to make this list stronger?


  • I've been hobbying 40k for a while now, but I've only played a couple games with my Space Marines. I'm primarily a AoS player (Ironjawz/Khorne Daemons), so 40k rules aren't my strong suit. I know that KDK exist, but don't care to run them because I like the CD Dex and already have it and a CSM Dex laying around, so KDK are 100% out of the question. I'm not looking to be super competitive, mainly just be able to win some friendly games at the LGS every now and then.

    Thanks for your time here guys. Hope to hear some solid input!

    This message was edited 10 times. Last update was at 2017/02/24 04:39:25


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    Ireland

    Hi dude - welcome to 40k and deamony goodness.

    First question - have you read the updated Daemonic Incursion version of Codez Daemons? The stuff from curse of rhe wolfen.
    There is a fantastic formation in there called the murder horde which might fit your needs very well.

    There is also the update for Codex Chaos Space marines which gives you a lot of cool bonuses - basically chapter tactics for chaos plus new relics/warlord traits and what not.
    If you live the blood god then World eaters might be a lot of fun for you.

    Regarding your questions.

    I don't use Karnack all that much - but he is a little vulnerable as a warlord for my personal liking - however if you take the murder horde he becomes a really fantastic tax aux unit that unlocks some great benefits for your army (-1/+1 to your warp storm roll and a type of super objective secured)

    Regarding the Deamon Prince, I think you could probably do with an addition wrecking ball unit. A Khorne lord on Jugger with some Spawn could really be of use here.

    Regarding deployment - no problems there, deploy however yoi want

    Daemons are super for deep striking in to objectives. Just be aware that a you randomly determine the turn they come in and that can lead to unfortunate situations.

    To make your list stronger I'd consider the following

    - consider the daemonic Incursion murder horde
    -check out the world eaters
    -the Black mace could be swapped for some fantastic world eater exclusive weapons (big nasty khorne axes)
    -try out a Jugger lord
    And finally,
    -blood crushers are much worse in 40k than they are in AOS. Their combo of low toughness, multi wound and not much armor makes them really easy to kill through instant death. Making for sad times for you.
    Flesh hounds are generally better

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    Michigan


    Thank you for the warm welcome, Grim Squeaker.

    I've taken a good long look at the list with your advice on my mind (and even picked up the Traitor Legions supplement because it's full of lore and the Legion Tactics) and changed it up as follows.

    Chaos Daemons CAD

    Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (1) - 335pts
    1 Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage: The Crimson Crown, Greater Reward

    Herald of Khorne (1) - 135pts (leading the Flesh Hounds)
    1 Herald of Khorne: Juggernaut of Khorne, Hellblade, Exalted Locus of Wrath, Lesser Reward (Axe of Khorne)

    Herald of Khorne (1) - 135pts (leading the Flesh Hounds)
    1 Herald of Khorne: Juggernaut of Khorne, Hellblade, Exalted Locus of Wrath, Lesser Reward (Axe of Khorne)

    Bloodletters of Khorne (10) - 100pts
    10 Bloodletter

    Bloodletters of Khorne (10) - 100pts
    10 Bloodletter

    Flesh Hounds of Khorne (10) - 160pts
    10 Flesh Hound

    Flesh Hounds of Khorne (10) - 160pts
    10 Flesh Hound

    Chaos Space Marine AD

    Legion Tactics - The World Eaters

    Daemon Prince of Khorne (1) - 265pts
    1 Daemon Prince: Gorefather, Power Armour, Daemonic flight, Aura of dark glory

    Chaos Space Marines (10) - 190pts
    1 Aspiring Champion: Champion of Chaos, Combi-Melta, Bolt Pistol, VotLW, MoK
    7 Chaos Space Marine: Boltgun, Bolt Pistol
    2 Chaos Space Marine: Meltagun, Bolt Pistol

    Chaos Space Marines (10) - 190pts
    1 Aspiring Champion: Champion of Chaos, Combi-Melta, Bolt Pistol, VotLW, MoK
    7 Chaos Space Marine: Boltgun, Bolt Pistol
    2 Chaos Space Marine: Meltagun, Bolt Pistol

    Chaos Rhino (1) - 40pts
    1 Chaos Rhino: Combi-Bolter, Dozer Blade

    Chaos Rhino (1) - 40pts
    1 Chaos Rhino: Combi-Bolter, Dozer Blade


    The items in red are things I though may be a good idea, but I'm not sure if they're worth it, or right for the unit. I chose to not go with the Murder Horde because I couldn't get the numbers of the list to fit right outside of a MSU configuration. And I didn't really want to run a MSU list. I'd appreciate any input on this updated list. Your first advice was very valuable and I appreciated it greatly.

    This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/03/01 23:57:49


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    New England

    Aura of Dark Glory give a 5+ invuln save. Your daemon Prince already has a 5+ invuln due to the Daemon rule.. Drop that and spend the points on something else!
       
     
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