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I know loyalists get all the cool toys, but why do they get the Tartaros and Cataphractii variant terminators exclusively in 40k? They aren't really game breaking. It isn't grav or skyhammer annihilation or gladius. Its a moderately overpriced unit and making those termis available to chaos would cost them nothing but ten minutes, if even, of rules writing and expands demand for them.

For whatever it's worth, I've seen more than a few chaos players just use one of zillion available space marine armies at this point with their chaos models.

do taratos termies even HAVE 40k rules published by GW?

BrianDavion wrote:
do taratos termies even HAVE 40k rules published by GW?

They're going to come in the box according to the facebook page

Jbz` wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
do taratos termies even HAVE 40k rules published by GW?

They're going to come in the box according to the facebook page

hopefully they'll also publish them on their website for those of us who have them from BoP

BrianDavion wrote:

Jbz` wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
do taratos termies even HAVE 40k rules published by GW?

They're going to come in the box according to the facebook page

hopefully they'll also publish them on their website for those of us who have them from BoP

More likely in WD or in future supplement ala cataphractii terminators.

BrianDavion wrote:

Jbz` wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
do taratos termies even HAVE 40k rules published by GW?

They're going to come in the box according to the facebook page

hopefully they'll also publish them on their website for those of us who have them from BoP

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/17/terminators-that-sweep-up-after-themselves/

Are the scarab terminator fellas from the Thousand Sons issued anything special? Aren't they modeled after Tartaros etc? Honestly it makes far more sense to have Heresy-era equipment in Chaos forces even if it's not provided with special rules.

If I was doing a Chaos force I'd build it predominantly out of HH era stuff.

The facebook page deleted both top comments, which asked why don't chaos space marines and the other founding chapters (blood angels, dark angels space wolves) get access to the 30k stuff.

More than mildly infuriating to say the least.

Scarab occult are literally tartaros termies. It makes no sense why chaos can't use them.

 Don Savik wrote:
The facebook page deleted both top comments, which asked why don't chaos space marines and the other founding chapters (blood angels, dark angels space wolves) get access to the 30k stuff.

More than mildly infuriating to say the least.

Scarab occult are literally tartaros termies. It makes no sense why chaos can't use them.

Is it just me or have they straight up removed the entire post now?

Jbz` wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
The facebook page deleted both top comments, which asked why don't chaos space marines and the other founding chapters (blood angels, dark angels space wolves) get access to the 30k stuff.

More than mildly infuriating to say the least.

Scarab occult are literally tartaros termies. It makes no sense why chaos can't use them.

Is it just me or have they straight up removed the entire post now?

Yep. They call it 'forging the narrative'

Ugh, as much as I was liking the 'new' games workshop lately all this talk about 'they're listening to the players!' is starting to sound like nonsense. Unless by players they mean Codex: Space Marine players.

 Don Savik wrote:

Jbz` wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
The facebook page deleted both top comments, which asked why don't chaos space marines and the other founding chapters (blood angels, dark angels space wolves) get access to the 30k stuff.

More than mildly infuriating to say the least.

Scarab occult are literally tartaros termies. It makes no sense why chaos can't use them.

Is it just me or have they straight up removed the entire post now?

Yep. They call it 'forging the narrative'

Ugh, as much as I was liking the 'new' games workshop lately all this talk about 'they're listening to the players!' is starting to sound like nonsense. Unless by players they mean Codex: Space Marine players.

Unless they pulled it to add the rules for CSM/BA/DA and SW like they should have done in the first place....

Jbz` wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:

Jbz` wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
The facebook page deleted both top comments, which asked why don't chaos space marines and the other founding chapters (blood angels, dark angels space wolves) get access to the 30k stuff.

More than mildly infuriating to say the least.

Scarab occult are literally tartaros termies. It makes no sense why chaos can't use them.

Is it just me or have they straight up removed the entire post now?

Yep. They call it 'forging the narrative'

Ugh, as much as I was liking the 'new' games workshop lately all this talk about 'they're listening to the players!' is starting to sound like nonsense. Unless by players they mean Codex: Space Marine players.

Unless they pulled it to add the rules for CSM/BA/DA and SW like they should have done in the first place....

you mean like they did for Cataphracti Terminators? or Contemptor Dreadnoughts? I fully expected this from GW. they really don't like sharing toys among the various SM armies anymore. and yeah it absolutely SUCKS because there is no reason BAs, DAs, SWs, CSMs shouldn't have this stuff. I suspect the "new weapons" Cawl is working on is going to at least semi-adjust this problem for the future in that new weapons aren't going to be "this new item has been used by space marines for thousands of years but blood angels dark angels and space wolves for some strange reason don't use it"

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And I doubt anyone would complain if you just did use it with others unofficialy minus certain army spacial rules or add a small premium for bonus.

 jhe90 wrote:
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And I doubt anyone would complain if you just did use it with others unofficialy minus certain army spacial rules or add a small premium for bonus.

can only speak for myself but if any of the other space marine armies used these I'd not have any objections, (well unless they somehow where cheesing with it big time)

I mean I think the best build for these guys (to take into account their advantages over Indomintus armor) is BASICLY a lightning claw squad anyway. which is pretty far from meta

BrianDavion wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
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And I doubt anyone would complain if you just did use it with others unofficialy minus certain army spacial rules or add a small premium for bonus.

can only speak for myself but if any of the other space marine armies used these I'd not have any objections, (well unless they somehow where cheesing with it big time)

I mean I think the best build for these guys (to take into account their advantages over Indomintus armor) is BASICLY a lightning claw squad anyway. which is pretty far from meta

Yeah claws seem best idea as means they can be a agressive heavy assult unit.
There abilities are wasted as tactical termies somewhat.

 jhe90 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
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And I doubt anyone would complain if you just did use it with others unofficialy minus certain army spacial rules or add a small premium for bonus.

can only speak for myself but if any of the other space marine armies used these I'd not have any objections, (well unless they somehow where cheesing with it big time)

I mean I think the best build for these guys (to take into account their advantages over Indomintus armor) is BASICLY a lightning claw squad anyway. which is pretty far from meta

Yeah claws seem best idea as means they can be a agressive heavy assult unit.
There abilities are wasted as tactical termies somewhat.

yeah, I think over all these are best used with claws, cataphracti's are IMHO proably the best tatical unit to take and hold a piece of ground, and the standard Indomitus suit works best as hammernators. (or a heavy weapons platform as they can snag an assault cannon, but if you want heavy weapons take centurions)

BrianDavion wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Posting to save this for later.

And I doubt anyone would complain if you just did use it with others unofficialy minus certain army spacial rules or add a small premium for bonus.

can only speak for myself but if any of the other space marine armies used these I'd not have any objections, (well unless they somehow where cheesing with it big time)

I mean I think the best build for these guys (to take into account their advantages over Indomintus armor) is BASICLY a lightning claw squad anyway. which is pretty far from meta

Yeah claws seem best idea as means they can be a agressive heavy assult unit.
There abilities are wasted as tactical termies somewhat.

yeah, I think over all these are best used with claws, cataphracti's are IMHO proably the best tatical unit to take and hold a piece of ground, and the standard Indomitus suit works best as hammernators. (or a heavy weapons platform as they can snag an assault cannon, but if you want heavy weapons take centurions)

Agreed but I think regualar need a maybe a pair of claws thrown in as a anti hoard option to augment the hamemers.

dosiere wrote:
For whatever it's worth, I've seen more than a few chaos players just use one of zillion available space marine armies at this point with their chaos models.

I am pretty sure my army would be better off doing this as there isn't a unit in it that doesn't a direct loyalist parallel. At least until I magnetize my maulerfiend/forgefiend.

I understand idea that GW can't necessarily give CSM every little bit of ancient tech (even though they should have it) and all the cool demon engine units stuff too. But at the same time, they should recognize that a lot of this stuff would still be in use at least some of the traitorous legions. I would even be fine with very happy with some of these units being traitorous legion specific to better differentiate them from each other. Maybe the Black Legion really values, had more, etc. Hersey Era terminators over the rest. Maybe Emperor's Children like to race pimped out land speeders and go to great lengths to preserve them in Slaaneshi perfect condition like any true gear head would. Just a thought.

As for loyalists not having some of this stuff, okay I can buy maybe couple of legions (probably specific chapters would make more sense) have used theirs all up and nobody's sharing. However, that excuse should be few and far between. It would also work better in the game was better balanced and players could see game mechanics reasons not to allow things as the go against what that faction is trying for or synergize too well with the faction's own unique units.

I am okay with a good background fluff reason excuse why some unit would be part of a faction even though it seems like it should as long as the writer doesn't go to the same excuse well too often. I am even more okay with the idea that some units wouldn't fit or be too good for a particular faction. However, it seems like the designers just kinda forgot (or were prevented) about giving these units to the factions that probably should have them.

What annoys me is that this most recent batch of 30k stuff being given to Imperials (and not to CSM) actually has some very CSM-specific equipment.

They're getting a Reaper Autocannon.

We don't get Assault Cannons because we have a Reaper. We don't get storm bolters because we have combi-bolters.

And now they're handing those out freely to Imperials?

That's bothersome.

It feels like we're losing an arms race that...thematically shouldn't even be happening.

I think GW expects you to just house rule it among friends if you are running something that is fluffy/themeatic/not game breaking but is overlooked by the official rules. At least, whether they want it or not, that is the position we are put in.

Just take away chapter tactics/atsknf, give votlw/mark/legion/icon options, make serg a chaos champion and you're pretty much done, right? Variant loyalists are even easier.

The real question is whether Grey Knights might have something similar?

Sounds strange. Termies with ATSKNF and chaos equipment (bolter and reaper autocannon).

nareik wrote:
I think GW expects you to just house rule it among friends if you are running something that is fluffy/themeatic/not game breaking but is overlooked by the official rules. At least, whether they want it or not, that is the position we are put in.

Just take away chapter tactics/atsknf, give votlw/mark/legion/icon options, make serg a chaos champion and you're pretty much done, right? Variant loyalists are even easier.

The real question is whether Grey Knights might have something similar?

That makes sense.
Charge the standard chaos termy mark prices /free buffs.
Allow them to take whatever special extras chaos get like demaon weapons or chain axes etc.

Plus any "boost" termies are pretty underpiwered so no ones gonna complain.

nareik wrote:
I think GW expects you to just house rule it among friends if you are running something that is fluffy/themeatic/not game breaking but is overlooked by the official rules. At least, whether they want it or not, that is the position we are put in.

Just take away chapter tactics/atsknf, give votlw/mark/legion/icon options, make serg a chaos champion and you're pretty much done, right? Variant loyalists are even easier.

The real question is whether Grey Knights might have something similar?

Grey Knights use their own mark of termy armor (Aegis armor) so proably not. that said I agree I think GW expects people to just house rule. GW's been pretty consistant that they design their game more for "bill and bob playing in their basement to tell a fun story" then a hard core tournment set.