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2017/03/16 19:58:58
Subject: Tau Sunshark VS Razorshark. What's the point of the former?
Why someone would take a Sunshark bomber instead of a Razorshark fighter?
The Sunshark is more costly, and I don't see where the pulse bomb, which may also turn out to be a one shot only due to unlucky dice, is more effective than the Quad Ion Turret.
I've figured this out confronting the stats in the codex, I would like to have someone who fielded them share his experience on the matter.
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2017/03/16 20:40:44
Subject: Tau Sunshark VS Razorshark. What's the point of the former?
It can be a decent source of skyfire markerlights but not better than the Skyray. Really the Tau flyers are kinda junk at this point other than the Barracuda (apparently)
Edit: and a Tau fighter ace has some pretty neat options to but you can't count on it.
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2017/03/16 22:04:57
Subject: Tau Sunshark VS Razorshark. What's the point of the former?
Knowing GW that was the first answer coming to my mind . Still, I think it's dumb game design and half-baked money grabbing strategy to give players two units with the exact same role. At least they could have skipped the large blast for the Razorshark's overcharged quad ion turret. In this way the Sunshark would have been the only anti hordes flyer.
And possibly they could have made more money out of the Tau flyers.
2017/03/17 18:31:56
Subject: Tau Sunshark VS Razorshark. What's the point of the former?
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
GW hideously overvalued all of the flyers that drop bombs. As if limited ammunition is a selling point and not a downside.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
GW and Forgeworld in general don't seem to be on the same page when it comes to valuing the power of bomber aircraft (though even with forgeworld, the Marauder Bomber and Ork Bomma are kinda weedy for what they bring; though the Nightshroud bomber is much meatier for its price), until the Dark Talon's 7th edition update finally reversed the trend it seemed that GW thought that dropping pieplates from the sky while passing overhead was some super devastating power and had to be moderated carefully with high points and weak pieplates. The reality of course ended up being that fighters; which had high ROF and high strength weapons to shoot down other planes, ended up being the preferred aircraft basically every time because they had actual teeth while bombers tended to just be kind of sucky. The Sunshark is a product of GW hilariously over estimating how much of an advantage being a pieplate that can be dropped from a passing aircraft is. So no, there's really no point to it. Even when a strength 5 AP5 large blast would come in handy, a Tau list should never be short on that kind of damage output in the first place. I have never met a Tau army that made me think "man would I be screwed if they had more Strength 5 AP5 shooting", it is not a thing the Tau ever need more of, so the Sunshark brings nothing to the table that the Tau need and it's pretty mediocre at best for its price to begin with. Meanwhile the Razorshark isn't great but it's at least something. Though really the Barracuda remains the flier of choice for the Tau (superheavies not included) if forgeworld is allowed in your meta or by the people you're playing against in Vassal. The Barracuda isn't quite "pre-nerf Vendetta and Heldrake" amazing, but it is a good unit.
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2017/03/17 20:21:53
Subject: Tau Sunshark VS Razorshark. What's the point of the former?
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Now if it could drop Haywire bombs or some higher strength pie plates it might be useful.
And frankly its bomb capacity should just be a fixed number like 3 or 4 bombs.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Sunshark is pretty much useless. Razorshark at least has a good formation (if you don't use DftS).
Remoras are pending on the good side and Barracudas are good, both versions.
Tigersharks are receiving new models with updated rules as well, so can't really comment on those - if you use the actual rules, the railgun oen is better.
Manta is good, but too costly to be used outside REALLY big tables.
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. Still, I think it's dumb game design and half-baked money grabbing strategy to give players two units with the exact same role. At least they could have skipped the large blast for the Razorshark's overcharged quad ion turret. In this way the Sunshark would have been the only anti hordes flyer.
