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So, I've never done one of these, but I am looking for some feedback on a list I wrote for a relatively restricted tournament coming up at our FLGS.

The list requirements are (for 1250 points):

1 required CAD

2 optional formations

1 optional allied detachment

1 LoW model maximum

1 Forgeworld model maximum

1 Gathering Storm exclusive model maximum

My list is as follows:

Combined Arms Detachment

Warlock + Jetbike

3 Windriders + 3 Scatter Lasers

3 Windriders + 3 Scatter Lasers

Reborn Warhost

Farseer + Jetbike + Spiritstone of Anath'lan

Harlequin Troupe(x6): Caress Master + 3 Caresses

Harlequin Troupe(x6): Kiss Master + 3 Kisses

Starweaver

Statweaver

Crimson Hunter Exarch

Wraithknight + 2 Heavy D-Cannons + 2 Scatter Lasers

As is, I get the bonus for having 7 units in the Reborn Warhost. The Farseer is my warlord rolling on the Ynnari table in hopes of getting the trait to pick his psychic powers, otherwise I'll take guide and roll on Revenant twice. I took the Harlequins because I know the tournament is going to be on all 4x4 tables, so I should be getting at the latest a turn 2 charge. The warlock will either stick with a unit of Windriders or the Farseer. Also, I am rather certain the TO has decided that Reborn Warhost does not count as a CAD, hence the min bike CAD.

I guess I'm not entirely set on running it this way or even with Ynnari (for Harlequins mostly). The one criticism of it I have gotten this far is it has no ability to "hold the line" although it came from a marine player, so I am not sure if that is applicable.

You may not be able to bring Ynnari at all if CAD "equivalents" are not allowed.
According to the limits you posted, only CADs, Allied detachments and Formations are allowed. The Reborn Host is none of those.
You need to check with the TO of the Reborn Host is allowed

If the tourney does allow CAD equivalents to fill the minimum CAD required, then I wouldn't bother with the Warlock and just put the Windriders in the Reborn host.
Otherwise, solid list.

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Thanks for your feedback.

I have a similar feeling about the Warlock and Windriders. I just asked the TO via social media what he will count the Reborn Warhost as; hopefully I'll hear back soon. I had spoken to him about some other restrictions earlier (notably if a squad of Shadow Spectres would be ok as a counts as "one FW model"), and he asked if I intended to do Ynnari. So I assume he will allow it in some fashion.

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:
The warlock will either stick with a unit of Windriders or the Farseer.

The warlock is not an Independent Character, so he won't be able to stick with a unit of Windriders. The Farseer could join him for a 2-man unit though, so if you do end up having to take that single warlock, putting him with the farseer, or hiding him somewhere on his own are your only options it seems. Solid list though, looks like it will be fine.

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.

I have a similar feeling about the Warlock and Windriders. I just asked the TO via social media what he will count the Reborn Warhost as; hopefully I'll hear back soon. I had spoken to him about some other restrictions earlier (notably if a squad of Shadow Spectres would be ok as a counts as "one FW model"), and he asked if I intended to do Ynnari. So I assume he will allow it in some fashion.

The fact that the TO associated Shadow Spectres with Ynnari shows that this TO may not have any idea how Ynnari function. No FW units can currently occupy a Reborn host as they are not listed units available. However, you may have just been referencing using them in you CAD.
I suspect the TO will include CAD equivalents, as prior to the Gathering Store, Harlequins had to be taken in a Masque detachment to be playable, aside from formations. GKs have a Nemesis Strike Force, DE have the Realspace Raiders, etc
Requiring a CAD + Formations seems to be a way of limiting the "meta-formation detachments" like Decurions.

As for the Warlock comment, as Bojazz said, the Warlock cannot join units, although I suspect you meant that he would just "stick near" the unit so that his death might give a Soulburst.

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Ah, fair. Forgot about that. Thanks for pointing it out

Edit: so quick thought, Reborn Warhost is a detachment. Which way does the formation/detachment relationship work? Is it all detachments are formations but not all formations are detachments (if I had to guess, I would think it is this way - which would technically allow Reborn Warhost but not as required CAD even before I know whatever the TO says) or that all formations are detachments but not all detachments are formations (in which case Reborn Warhost is expressly forbidden without the TO's approval)?


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 Galef wrote:

The fact that the TO associated Shadow Spectres with Ynnari shows that this TO may not have any idea how Ynnari function. No FW units can currently occupy a Reborn host as they are not listed units available. However, you may have just been referencing using them in you CAD.
I suspect the TO will include CAD equivalents, as prior to the Gathering Store, Harlequins had to be taken in a Masque detachment to be playable, aside from formations. GKs have a Nemesis Strike Force, DE have the Realspace Raiders, etc
Requiring a CAD + Formations seems to be a way of limiting the "meta-formation detachments" like Decurions.

As for the Warlock comment, as Bojazz said, the Warlock cannot join units, although I suspect you meant that he would just "stick near" the unit so that his death might give a Soulburst.

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Yes, I was just referencing them as being part of a regular Craftworld CAD although he had not encountered a copy of Doom of Mymeara until I let him look through mine, so that might be part of it.

Honestly, the TO might go either way. He really, really emphasizes casual play despite doing tournaments with prizes and paid entry (usually $10 EA) almost exclusively. The last tournament I took part in had rules even more strict than those above. And to my knowledge, no one at the FLGS besides me collects Harlequins so up until recently, he had no way to know that his restrictions hurt them so much.

I spaced the warlock not being IC. It's what I get for building a list without my book immediately on hand. I was going to go double check everything after I got off work, but thanks for correcting me. The warlocks being characters from past editions and when in Windriders groups messes me up sometimes.

I went through the restrictions for the last tournament here: https://redinkcat.wordpress.com/2017/02/28/valentines-team-tournament/ I am still waiting on a response though. I might write up the list several other ways based on what it is possible he might say.

Thanks again for your feedback all


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Darn it. Per page 121 of the BRB all formations are detachments but not all detachments are formations... well, now I really need to know if the TO will allow other detachments besides CAD and Allied or not.

Every formation can be considered a detachment in its own right when you are told you can only have so many detachments. Not every detachment can be considered a formation.

My reasoning is that when playing an unbound list formations keep their benefits where as detachments lose theirs.


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Oops missed your appendment

Formations are detachments that always have a specific group of units requires, rather than open Battlefield roles that can be filled. For Example, the Troops required for a CAD can be any Troops choice, but a Windrider host specifically requires 3 Windrider units.

Formations will also have the symbol of 3 skulls in a circle on its datasheet.

Since the Reborn Host is not a Formation, it's important to let the TO that so he can allow it.

Well, the TO has not made a decision yet, so in the interest of not having to last minute write a new list, I have put together an option for if he says no:

Combined Arms Detachment

Jetseer + Spirit Stone of Anath'lan

Wraithknight + 2 Heavy D-Cannons + 2 Scatter Lasers

Windriders + Scatter Lasers (x3)

Windriders + Scatter Lasers (x3)

Crimson Hunter Exarch

Falcon + Bright Lance

Aspect Host (+1 BS)

Fire Dragons (x5) + Exarch upgrade

Warp Spiders (x5) + Exarch upgrade

Warp Spiders (x5) + Exarch Upgrade

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:
Well, the TO has not made a decision yet, so in the interest of not having to last minute write a new list, I have put together an option for if he says no:

Combined Arms Detachment

Jetseer + Spirit Stone of Anath'lan

Wraithknight + 2 Heavy D-Cannons + 2 Scatter Lasers

Windriders + Scatter Lasers (x3)

Windriders + Scatter Lasers (x3)

Crimson Hunter Exarch

Falcon + Bright Lance

Aspect Host (+1 BS)

Fire Dragons (x5) + Exarch upgrade

Warp Spiders (x5) + Exarch upgrade

Warp Spiders (x5) + Exarch Upgrade

Good idea, and a very solid list. I wouldn't change anything. I even like this list better than your earlier ones.

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The only thing I can think of is if you are allowed to use the yannari war host as your CAD then you need to find 1 extra unit for the CAD so you get 7 and can soulburst 2 units rather than 1 if you really want that over the Obj Sec bikes.

 rawne2510 wrote:
The only thing I can think of is if you are allowed to use the yannari war host as your CAD then you need to find 1 extra unit for the CAD so you get 7 and can soulburst 2 units rather than 1 if you really want that over the Obj Sec bikes.

Actually if he is allowed the Reborn Host, I would just take this recent list as is and it will have 7+ units. Remember that the Aspect host can be included as part of a Reborn Host
The most recent list (including the Aspect Host) includes 9 total units.

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Do the formations count towards the total number?

 rawne2510 wrote:
Do the formations count towards the total number?

They have to, as the only way to make them Ynnari and thus gain Strength from Death is to take them as part of the Reborn Host.
If they are part of the Reborn Host, their units count towards the number of units in the Host.

Oh cool. didn´t think about that.


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In that case the war host can´t be a CAD equivelant



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As it allows multiple formation within a single CAD

 rawne2510 wrote:
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In that case the war host can´t be a CAD equivelant

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As it allows multiple formation within a single CAD

Pretty much. That's why I figured I would make a new list anyway. I am pretty sure he will say no since it would set precedent for allowing most of the other army-specific detachment-type things and meta-formations.

If I get to play with Ynnari rules that's great, but if not oh well. I honestly have no idea what kind of scenarios we'll get anyway so I have no idea if Obsec is actually worth it or not. Last tourney, Obsec was only useful in one of the three scenarios.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback guys