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Hello all,

Would appreciate your advice. I have an old Chaos Army, its easily been 10 years since I played Warhammer but looking to get back into it. From what is left of my old army, I would like some input into any units I should get to expand it / make it playable:

13 Chaos Knights
5 Marauder Horsemen
24 Chaos Warriors
24 Marauders
10 Bloodletters
5 Harpies
1 Ba'al
1 Scyla Anfingrimm
Also used to have a Chariot (normal, not Slaanesh) but that seems to have gone - used to run this with a Sorcerer (also gone)

My first thoughts are to get a new Chariot and get 5 more Marauder Horsemen for a band of 10.
Used to play 1000-1500 games and Ba'al was just a Mounted Champion, running with the Chaos Knights.

Any advice would be appreicated, thanks.

Just to clarify, are you looking into playing Age of Sigmar? Not sure which edition of WHFB you played, but it is significantly different from before.

Are you already familiar with AoS's ruleset? If not, go over the basic 4 page rules and see if this game is still for you. If you think you're still interested then I think you already have a sizable army. You have at least 1000 pts worth right now. I don't what who or what Ba'al is, so it could be worth more.

If you are running chaos, you can choose to dedicate your army to one of the four chaos gods. (Khorne, and Tzeentch are the most fleshed out right now, Nurgle being a little better off than Slaanesh).

Also if you are interested in playing matched play (with points), you'll also want the general's handbook.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I am looking to play Age of Sigmar. I last played 6th Edition Hordes of Chaos (Undivided). Age of Sigmar looks interesting and have found a local gaming store that may be able to help.

Sorry I got the name wrong, its not Ba'al - it's Arbaal the Undefeated.

Also, a friend of mine has sorted me out with a Chaos Lord on Manticore which looks great and seems pretty strong in terms of abilities paired with Chaos Warriors.

Are there any particularly good units to add? I assume some artillery would be good now - like a Hellcannon or Skaven Warp Lightning Cannon?

I'm not sure if there's any direct equivalent for Arbaal in AoS. The closest I can think of is a Lord of Khorne with Flesh hound, or Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut if he is big enough. He can also pass as a Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount. You can ask your local group for suggestions.

Chaos Lord on Manticore seems pretty good, too.

As you are already have a few combat heroes, you might want to add more support heroes, like a Sorcerer Lord. Sayl the faithless from FW is also great. If you don't mind mixing skaven (they have managed to work their way into the pantheon but archaon doesnt acknowledge the horned rat) there's the stormfiends that are great, and plague claw or lightning cannon works, too. If you have a lot of Khorne models, a bloodsecrator will be very good, too.

Also note that units are mostly bought in blocks of 3 (monstrous cavalry), 5(cavalry or elite infantry), or 10(infantry). so you might also want to round out your existing models. You can play them undermanned, but you'll be paying the full points, but that only matters for matched play. If you're playing open or narrative, that's fine.

You'll want to add in a bit of ranged at some point as well. I can tell you that the Warp Lightning Cannons are good damage dealers right now. I just used one in my game last night and was able to take out one line of enemy Protectors and a line of Judicators before he ported a squad in to eventually silence it. Stormfiends last night did similar damage before being taken out.

The Lightning Cannons and Stormfiends with Warpfire Projectors are brutal when lined up right! Here's a good forum post about top Chaos ranged in game at the moment... http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/1956-chaos-shooting-units-updated-121016/

aquietfrog wrote:
I'm not sure if there's any direct equivalent for Arbaal in AoS. The closest I can think of is a Lord of Khorne with Flesh hound, or Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut if he is big enough. He can also pass as a Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount. You can ask your local group for suggestions.

Was Arbaal in the 8th edition Chaos army? If so, he would have had a Warscroll in the "get-you-by" army lists released when AoS came out. I don't think they're on GW's website any more, but if you ask around, someone might have a copy.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

aquietfrog wrote:
I'm not sure if there's any direct equivalent for Arbaal in AoS. The closest I can think of is a Lord of Khorne with Flesh hound, or Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut if he is big enough. He can also pass as a Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount. You can ask your local group for suggestions.

Was Arbaal in the 8th edition Chaos army? If so, he would have had a Warscroll in the "get-you-by" army lists released when AoS came out. I don't think they're on GW's website any more, but if you ask around, someone might have a copy.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Rules

Thank you for your help, Warp Lightning Cannons and Stormfiends seem pretty amazing - have been watching some coverage.
What would be a good mix of Chaos to Skaven?

The Khorne tip does sound good. I have been reading up and a Bloodsecrator seems awesome. I figure Khorne would make sense as I can make use of the Bloodletters and Scyla. I'm guessing this might be the best short-term plan on a budget before I can more involved. Sayl does look very strong though.

What are your thoughts about Bloodstoker?

One further question, what is the current stance on Cavalry-based armies? Like getting some more Chaos Knights and Marauder Horsemen, taking the Manticore Lord with a Daemonic Mount Lord.

I need to get the General's Handbook but I assume the old awesome tactics of Marauder Horsemen have been resolved - auto-rally then ping from a distance.

From My own experience, cavalry heavy armies tend to be on the weaker side. However, with lots of mobility, you can potentially play better on objective points based battleplans. Objectives are mostly by model count so what happens is you can get there first, but infantry beats you on body count.

Combat-wise, cavalry seems to be tanky, but doesn't hit as hard as they used to in previous editions. I really recommend you play a few games with your current models first, then decide on what you want later.

There aren't any rally tests anymore, I haven't used marauder horsemen, but I can say most of the old fast cavalry tactics from 7th or 8th aren't in play anymore.

Hey Melex, just seeing this. Sent you a PM answering most of that.

As Frog said, seams cav heavy isn't quite as tanky over all as compared to foot troops or monsters/heros. Main reason I run a somewhat heavy hound and cav army is my usual opponent has lots of flyers and does a lot of that shoot n scoot crap. So I run stuff all around to keep him moving somewhat so I can hit him with ranged and also so he can't just sit back and wipe units out one by one.

Looks like you have a nice selection of models already and can always use things as proxies to try other units until you decide if you like or dislike something. I'm using knights as marauders this coming weekend. A 6" Godzilla model even made it to the table one time as a proxie Bloodthirster.

First of all you should check the game level where you play.
Is it the fluff that is central or the meta?
You got a basic of slaves to darkness.

Before you add something, play a few games .

I suggest using for a 1000 pts game
2x 5 knights with glaives (be sure to be the one that charges or they will suck)
1 x 10 warriors
1 lord of chaos
1 manticore
1x godsworn champions of ruins battalion.
All mark of slaanesh. That way you get the run + charge on a second unit from the lord.

This list is fast enough to make up for some beginners mistakes in movement, and can take on all pitched battle plans.



If you want to get painting right away, maybe Wulfrik the wanderer to get those marauders to pop up on the other side of the board? A chaos sorcerer on horseback is also very good. A warshrine or some chosen to get armiewide buff?

Hi everyone,

Sorry I haven't posted in a while.

Thanks for all the advice, I had a game or two and it seems that infantry seems to be the way to go and I hear the calling from the Blood God once more (found 10 of my old Bloodletters).

So I now have the following to play with:

10 Marauder Horsemen
10 Chaos Knights
16 Marauders
These are on the reserve list for now - I still like Marauder Horsemen with Javelins but can't spare the points in 1K and 1.5K games.

40 Bloodreavers
40 Bloodletters
30 Chaos Warriors
5 Blood Warriors

Lord of Khorne
Lord on Manticore
2 Bloodsecrators
1 Bloodstoker
1 Khorgaroth
1 Scyla

I like a combo of Bloodletters, Bloodreavers and Chaos Warriors with the Bloodsecrators and Bloodstoker with Lord (or Lord on Manticore for 1.5K games). I am thinking that a Bloodthirster might be better instead of the Lord on Manticore due to the bonus for Bloodletters or is that a big trade-off?

I am finding the Chaos Warriors with Mark of Khorne combo with a Bloodsecrator seem to be more effective than Blood Warriors combo Bloodsecrator - the 5 or 6 Mortal Wound Save is great for me.

What are your thoughts on Khorgaroth vs Scyla? I really like Scyla due to the unbinding and the pile in but the new rules on Khorgaroth seems pretty hardcore. I have seen a competitive list that went overboard with Khorgaroth's (6) so they must be pretty good.

Apologies for double post by a quick update. Currently using a 1K army of:

2 Bloodsecrators (1 was General)
40 Bloodreavers
30 Bloodletters
10 Chaos Warriors (Mark of Khorne)

Undecided between Lord of Khorne and Chaos Warriors. 1 Bloodsecrator tends to survive for the rest of the army to do decent damage but not sure a Lord of Khorne would steal enough aggro to help the Bloodsecrators.