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between Titus and Leandros in the Space Marine game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQL2cojKxwg

would he side with one of them or would he have a different opinion?

Almost certainly Titus. A oft-forgotten quote from our Liege about the codex is as follows:

(Referring to his work on the codex) "...Are yet flawed. No one, not even one such as I, can anticipate every possible outcome of battle. My words are not some holy writ that must be obeyed. There must always be room for personal initiative on the battlefield. You and I both know how one spark of heroism can turn the tide of battle. That knowledge and personal experience can only be earned in blood, and the leader in the field must always be the ultimate arbiter of what course of action should be followed."

However, it is possible that he might take a 3rd opinion. It also has to be noted that the codex of 40k is substainially more in-depth and has had dozens, presumably hundreds of SM's adding to it, than Guillie's work, with presumably more passages about all kinds of xeno's and general situations.
Also, from memory Leandros' concern had more to do with Titus' ability to resist chaotic influence which suggested he was a psyker or already tainted.

Yeah, Guilliman himself said the Codex was flawed. They were a guideline, not an absolute.

However, the main crux of their argument is that the Codex apparently says that Chaos is absolute, and that Titus must be corrupted. Titus insists he is not.

I think Guilliman would support Titus, but certainly investigate him.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, Guilliman himself said the Codex was flawed. They were a guideline, not an absolute.

"They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, Guilliman himself said the Codex was flawed. They were a guideline, not an absolute.

However, the main crux of their argument is that the Codex apparently says that Chaos is absolute, and that Titus must be corrupted. Titus insists he is not.

I think Guilliman would support Titus, but certainly investigate him.

Guidelines.
Plus the Chapters copy will be alongside other annotated copies of it by famous captians, chapter masters who added there wisdom and experiences.
Id imagine is grown quite large as chapters are added on for new threats, tactics and such.
A more organic document than fixed holy book.

And as for questions.
Yeah he might be one to investigate anyone who is showing stranger aspects as a matter of sense.
Even handed but make sure there no threat of signs are there of somthibf...diffrent and enforcing of any rules strictly.

Mudrat wrote:

Also, from memory Leandros' concern had more to do with Titus' ability to resist chaotic influence which suggested he was a psyker or already tainted.

That's what it turned into by the end of the game. In the first few missions, Leandros griped that everything Titus was doing went against the Codex. His first few lines in the game are complaining that assaulting the enemy ship with jump packs on entry goes against the CA. Boo hoo.

Maybe he was just a whiney bitch

 Rysgame wrote:
Maybe he was just a whiney bitch

what do you expect, he was raised from the age of ten to follow orders to the letter, to essentially worship guillimans work as the voice of a god (not literally), then he comes across this captain who basically does what he pleases, he is gonna be a hide bound, by the book kind of guy, completely in character to me.

I always wished that they continued the SM games (was supposed to be a trilogy originally). I'd love to know what happens to Titus after the game ends.

Actually Leandros was right on his criticism of Titus. Titus behaves like a complete and utter moron in the course of the game for a Space Marine Captain. In total he

-Completely abandons his Company which he is always supposed to lead into battle, leaving it behind to run itself

-Strikes at the very heart of the Orkish threat with no backup, having pathetic reinforcements in the form of just two company veterans at his side who don't even land with him.

-Attempts to take on an Ork Warboss by himself after both abandoning Second Company and for some reason only taking two guards with him, and leaps blindly into Anti-Aircraft fire with only a BOLT PISTOL to his name

-Continues to shirk all responsibility and behaves nothing like a captain, decides to embark on a personal mission while leaving the people he's supposed to command just meandering about by themselves and consistently risking himself when they ought to be consolidating force.


The only mistake Leandros made was being an idiot and calling the Inquisition of all things. Any inter-chapter heresy is to be solved by Chaplains, which is one of their main reasons for even existing in the first place.

The dumbest thing abbout this is that Titus was probably a psickyc blanc. We has players know he dint fall to chaos and he could not have risen trough the ranks of the ultramarines without anyone noticing he was a psicker and turning him into a librarian, most of the time space marines either are psickers before they become marines or become psickers during the transformation, its very rare for anyone to grow up and only manifest his psick powers at na older age, some marines become psickers because of the geneseed, like in the case of the thousand sons where there geneseed turned normal people into psickers.
Futhermore the inquisition knows of the existence of psickic blancs because they employ them to fight chaos.

honestly space marine was a good game, but the writing and lore of it was HORRIABLE. after hearing their plans for the sequals, I'm honestly GLAD relic died before Space marine 2 and 3 could be made

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yeah, Guilliman himself said the Codex was flawed. They were a guideline, not an absolute.

"They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa

this quote wins the thread.

 Pedro31 wrote:
The dumbest thing abbout this is that Titus was probably a psickyc blanc. We has players know he dint fall to chaos and he could not have risen trough the ranks of the ultramarines without anyone noticing he was a psicker and turning him into a librarian, most of the time space marines either are psickers before they become marines or become psickers during the transformation, its very rare for anyone to grow up and only manifest his psick powers at na older age, some marines become psickers because of the geneseed, like in the case of the thousand sons where there geneseed turned normal people into psickers.
Futhermore the inquisition knows of the existence of psickic blancs because they employ them to fight chaos.

You couldnt progress that far in the chapter without knowing it, though. Astartes recruitment procedure 101: about the third thing that happens after you are chosen as a potential aspirant is than a librarian looks inside your head for any sign of corruption (moral, chaotic, mental or other), and his "thumbs up" is a pass-fail to progressing further. What would happen after the librarian's telepathic probe bounces off is open to debate, but he'd definitely notice, and even if no-one explained it to a thirteen year old asprirant who'd probably be dead in a month, suggesting he still hadn't been told two centuries later after becoming a senior captain and interacting with the librarius on subsequent occasions isn't at all feasible.

 Formosa wrote:

 Rysgame wrote:
Maybe he was just a whiney bitch

what do you expect, he was raised from the age of ten to follow orders to the letter, to essentially worship guillimans work as the voice of a god (not literally), then he comes across this captain who basically does what he pleases, he is gonna be a hide bound, by the book kind of guy, completely in character to me.

Bet he loves the Space Wolves.
I can particularly see him enjoying Lukas Strifeson's company.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Rysgame wrote:
Maybe he was just a whiney bitch

what do you expect, he was raised from the age of ten to follow orders to the letter, to essentially worship guillimans work as the voice of a god (not literally), then he comes across this captain who basically does what he pleases, he is gonna be a hide bound, by the book kind of guy, completely in character to me.

Bet he loves the Space Wolves.
I can particularly see him enjoying Lukas Strifeson's company.

I've said this multiple times before but I would KILL for a novel about an Ultramarines/Space Wolf team up. if the writer was a good one I might even break down and buy a limited edition of that story