40k Live FAQ Summary as best i could do it!

- No more armour on vehicles. Vehicles have a damage table as they take damage (wounds) stats decrease, every vehicle has its own damage table. e.g. Bolters could hurt tanks.
- Specfically mentioned everyone can hurt everyone else owing to S and T in ref to vehicles.
- 14 force org charts in core rules, if you meet you generate command points one use only. re-roll dice, interupt chargers going first mentioned. Hints these force orgs tottally replace formations.
- Limited to 1cmd point perphase. Certain force orgs give you more or less points. Gives example of big brigate detachment which gives you 9 cms points.
- Codexes not going away, there will be books with their own army command points
- Templates going away confirmed!
- Every army gets rules day one. 5 books, rules for all armies split across these. (low price point mentioned, a lot less than a codex)
- Expansions will still be part of the game planet strike etc will be re-written
- 'Every unit playtestest a lot' after 'will riptides be nerfed' quetion. Mention of massive community playtesting in USA
- Annual rules updates like AoS generals handbook taking community feedback
- 40k rules will have free PDF digital + printed store copies
- No specific tournament rules but guidelines in matched play
- Top goals in dev: 1. game that worked for all three ways to play. 2. More balanced 3. More accessible
- Background focussed more Imperium vs Chaos, acknowledges chaos has slipped and want to bring that back to the main focus of the game
- Wont confirm a release date 'this year'
- Two points system 'Power level' narative play each unit has a general power level value. Full granular common points ssytem for matched play.
- All factions still in, new website missing ones is just a narative thing.
- There will be new factions (hinted at on launch)
- Big monsters will also loose stats like vehicles as they take damage
- Stats no longer capped at 10!
- Multiple damage e.g. wounds is in on weapons
- Matched play 1000pts to anything
- Allies still in works different though. Keywords system very specific on factions gives an example a marine with spec rules prob wont pass onto allies.
- Mentions close combat is viable.
- Background will move on but not radically change. Some on launch which will 'blow people away'
- Everyday from now on till launch will be a warhammer community article on new 40k - kinda hints its coming out sooner rather than later
- If you'v bought a book within 8 weeks of launch, you can email customer services and get a voucher for value of the book bought

 commander dante wrote:
LITERALLY AGE OF SIGMAR

Welcome to new 40k! Where Grot Blasters can hurt a Baneblade!
40k was never designed to be AoS'd
But i swear to god if those "Command Points" are going to be the New Decurion. I WILL NOT BE HAPPY

Guess ill have to suck it up/play 30k...

 commander dante wrote:
LITERALLY AGE OF SIGMAR

jade_angel wrote:
Also, since they specifically said S/T are staying, rather than AoS' flat wound rolls, how is this much different from, say, Riptides now? How many bolter shots does it take to kill a Riptide? Statistically, 450. Chew on that, especially with tanks that have double-digit wound totals.

Your Tactical Marines are not killing that Chaos Vindicator without a lascannon and a meltagun, just like today.

jade_angel wrote:
Well, currently everything with a T value has a save (well, everything I can think of, except Ethereals, and they can buy 5+ armor, useless as it is). Also, in AoS, all the big monsters and vehicle-like things also have a save, usually a 4+ or 3+, so I'm assuming that vehicles will gain saves.

If my mental math is at all right, the only place I'm worried about small arms killing tanks, is rattling off the last wound or two from one that's already soaked up fire from a Predator and a Devastator squad, say. (And really, Devastators should be killing tanks, y'know, better than they do now...)

jade_angel wrote:
Also, since they specifically said S/T are staying, rather than AoS' flat wound rolls, how is this much different from, say, Riptides now? How many bolter shots does it take to kill a Riptide? Statistically, 450. Chew on that, especially with tanks that have double-digit wound totals.

Your Tactical Marines are not killing that Chaos Vindicator without a lascannon and a meltagun, just like today.

jade_angel wrote:
When they were discussing wound rolls - don't remember the time, exactly, but they said something along the lines of "anything can hurt anything - you still have Strength and Toughness, but anything can hurt anything". They also mentioned Ballistic Skill by name.

Which does sound like it's more along the AoS model, where things are easier to hurt but harder to kill overall.

jade_angel wrote:
When they were discussing wound rolls - don't remember the time, exactly, but they said something along the lines of "anything can hurt anything - you still have Strength and Toughness, but anything can hurt anything". They also mentioned Ballistic Skill by name.

Which does sound like it's more along the AoS model, where things are easier to hurt but harder to kill overall.

jade_angel wrote:
When they were discussing wound rolls - don't remember the time, exactly, but they said something along the lines of "anything can hurt anything - you still have Strength and Toughness, but anything can hurt anything". They also mentioned Ballistic Skill by name.

Which does sound like it's more along the AoS model, where things are easier to hurt but harder to kill overall.

 Kanluwen wrote:

jade_angel wrote:
When they were discussing wound rolls - don't remember the time, exactly, but they said something along the lines of "anything can hurt anything - you still have Strength and Toughness, but anything can hurt anything". They also mentioned Ballistic Skill by name.

Which does sound like it's more along the AoS model, where things are easier to hurt but harder to kill overall.

I REALLY hope that isn't the case and they were just trying to use examples that would be recognizable.

I far, far, far prefer the system in AoS where it's fixed. I HATE Strength and Toughness. It's such a ridiculous system.

Wayniac wrote:
I am incredibly psyched over this. Like, I can't describe it. I could almost cry. I've waited 20 years for GW to get off their and and fix the game. All of these changes sound great.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

jade_angel wrote:
When they were discussing wound rolls - don't remember the time, exactly, but they said something along the lines of "anything can hurt anything - you still have Strength and Toughness, but anything can hurt anything". They also mentioned Ballistic Skill by name.

Which does sound like it's more along the AoS model, where things are easier to hurt but harder to kill overall.

I REALLY hope that isn't the case and they were just trying to use examples that would be recognizable.

I far, far, far prefer the system in AoS where it's fixed. I HATE Strength and Toughness. It's such a ridiculous system.

I generally disagree. I mean, wounding a grot and a bloodthirster on the same value, and just giving the bloodthirster a boatload of wound to compensate, seems like lazy game design. I like the fact that weak attacks have to struggle to damage tough opponents, though from the sounds of things even a lasgun can damage tanks.

Youn wrote:
This is going to put Dreadnoughts back were they are supposed to be hopefully. A marine dreadnought should be feared not gunned down on turn one.

bob82ca wrote:


Every great game design uses an element of "rock-paper-scissors", and I'm talkin EVERY good game.

bob82ca wrote:
The only good thing that I got out of the live stream was the introduction of command points. It might be enough to save the game for me if it's done well. It's going to have to carry a lot of weight to make this new version any good.

Here are some glaring problems I see with the new game:

Every great game design uses an element of "rock-paper-scissors", and I'm talkin EVERY good game. Think Pokémon, water beats fire, fire beats grass you get the idea. RTS games cavalry is strong vs. swords weak vs spears. Spears are weak vs. swords. And this was very true for the current edition of WH40k and the editions that came before. The AP system creates all sorts of unique stories whenever you play a new opponent. "I've got this unit with power weapons that could shred his infantry but I better steer clear of his terminators because if I get stuck fighting those guys, I cant beat their 2+ armor".

Now the problem with 8th edition is that much like AOS they have done away with the "rock-paper-scissors" approach. Some could argue that you instead have rock and paper. That is really strong guys and weak infantry guys. But you definitely do not have the dynamic gameplay that you find with the current AP system. Forget for a second what the unit looks like on the battlefield, at the end of the day you have a mass of wounds and a set damage output. When you come to that realisation, than you can see that much of the tactics are gone and you are only mindlessly rolling dice. The game becomes simplified to trying to bring your larger weapons to bare on an ideal target instead of wasting it to overkill some guardsmen. Again this is just rock and paper at this point.

The removal of templates and armor values is also troubling to me. You can't deny that moving away from templates is better for competitive games because it removes some unnecessary squabbling about scatter location etc. But I fear that these changes take away too much of the flavour of 40k. There's nothing more satisfying than dropping a pie plate on a condensed unit that only rolled a 1 on their consolidation roll. Also these changes water down the gameplay significantly. There is little need to think about spacing your models and the removal of armor facing takes the positioning tactics out of tank warfare.

Overall I see the new changes as being a downgrade for gameplay unfortunately. Hopefully the new command point system can carry the rest of the weight.