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So the Warhammer TV live stream from today confirmed a couple of thing that when pieced together and extrapolated may well give us an indication as to not just what is happening to $0k's gameplan but also to the lore.

As they were taking questions from fans on social media a few interesting things cropped up.

Codices aren't gone as such but on release day, alongside the free downloadable rules there will be a grand total of 5 books which together will contain the rules for all of the models for all armies.

5!

the GW staff confirmed that Space Marines are in one, and another book is Imperial armies. This leaves us with three books for everyone else, but that everyone else is Eldar (Craftworld, Dark and Harlies are already now kind of clumped into one), Nids (Genestealers you could throw into their category), Chaos, Chaos Daemons, Orks, Tau, Necrons and what I find very interesting, a brand new Faction. The question was asked at one point will we see the introduction of any new factions we haven't seen before? "yes", "for launch", "yeah". So a new Faction for release day!

That's 8 factions in 3 books....

Are we therefore going to see ***Ahem*** Grand ***cough*** Alliances forged in the narritive? Is this an indication of where the story is going as we have been told that the story will be progressing.

Just me? Or might there be something to this?

Just because they are in the same faction book, it doesn't mean they share the same CAD/Formation.

 kronk wrote:
Just because they are in the same faction book, it doesn't mean they share the same CAD/Formation.

They may well not but if you watch the video they've confirmed that there will be 14 FOC's in the rulebook. Now they didn't say that there will be none in the individual Army books and I doubt they won't give specific FOC's to SM Chapters or Eldar Craftworlds for example but the question I wonder about is with the inevitable grouping they will have to do of some Factions to get them all into three books, will there be some kind of link and/or relationship between the factions in the same books?

one problem with putting space marines in a seperate book is that if sisters of battle, custodes and sisters of silence are in another, they're going to need to do some reprinting between the two books, given the ubiquitous rhino. not a big deal but..

I am probably wrong, but I heard it as one book for ALL Imperial factions, including Space Marines.

I think Chaos in all it’s forms will make a solid book.

The big question is how to break up all the other xenos. I think it might work to break them up into “reasonable” and “unreasonable” ones. Obviously, not the best terms.

Eldar (craftworlds, dark, harlis, the new necromancer guys, etc)
Tau

Orks,
Nids/GSC,
necrons

Another thought is that all the xenos are just lumped together, freeing the 3rd book up for something new.

I think it's Imperium with its various branches.
Space Marines and it's various chapter.
NPCS.

In truth it's grouped as Imperials, Chaos, All The Rest AHEM I mean Xenos on their website.

Zatsuku wrote:
I am probably wrong, but I heard it as one book for ALL Imperial factions, including Space Marines.

There's a little discussion on this in the News and Rumours forum and it's hard to tell with the two guys talking over eachother at that point but to me it comes out as everything Marines and everything else Imperium (which would be more sensible as to put everything Imperial including marines all in one book would make a very big book and potentially cost Imperial players more money [but that's probably me projecting my interpretation of GWs pricing tactics, not policy, onto an unreleased product])

Either way it seems obvious, to me anyway, that GW will be grouping the non human Factions in some way. Chaos is obviously one but then that leaves a lot of Factions still that you wouldn't normally put together to have to group... My gut feeling is that the Factions we see grouped into the same books will give us an insight into the direction the fluff will head as GW have confirmed it will be progressing. Or do people think that Factions in the same book won't have any kind of affiliation?

Lump the Eldar and Orks together! Both ancient xenos races and the contrast between the two in one book would be hilarious.

I think it will be xenos empires (Eldar, Tau, and Necrons) and Xenos threats (Orks, Tyranids, GSC/insert new baddy here). The other obvious answer is it will be a book of various flavors of Eldar, and then a book for the rest of us.

 Grimgold wrote:
I think it will be xenos empires (Eldar, Tau, and Necrons) and Xenos threats (Orks, Tyranids, GSC/insert new baddy here). The other obvious answer is it will be a book of various flavors of Eldar, and then a book for the rest of us.

All the eldar in one book wouldn't even be unreasonable as a stand alone they currently have 5 factions.

DE CE ynnari harlequins and corsair from FW (forgeworld units are supposed to have rules available day 1 as well)

Orks and Panzees teamed together against Necrons is a must at least once with a can of <colourful slang> handed to the Necrons only for the victory to end with the Warboss suddenly and unexpectedly grabbing the Farseer and biting it's head off with the words, "Bet youz didn't see dat coming."
Boyz punch the air and cheer.
Much applause.
Curtains.
The End.

It seems logical to do an armies of the imperium book all in one (that in my mind is the size of 3rd/4th ed rulebooks), nothing i heard in the faq today contradicts that happening.

Same goes for chaos, lump it all in one book.

Chaos naturally gets its own too, probably (hopefully) of equal size and scale.

Aeldari - eldar, dark eldar, harlequins, ynari also makes sense.

I heard there would be 5 books total at launch - one for the full rules and 4 for factions. Makes sense because that gives you the above combinations and then orks, tau, necrons + tyranids/genestealer cults.

All actually fits together quite well tbh.

I don't see how a 5th book would make things any better, the xenos races fit in one book just as well as armies of the imperium do and they're arranged this way on the new GW site faction list.

Mustn't forget these are purely rules so we can play 8th, codex's as we know them with full fluff will come out at a later date.

Wonder where the new faction will fit in?

thing with chaos is that it's gonna be a little thin taking what we have, I mean if we look at the codices we're gonna have

Space Marines: about 6 codieces, they'll be able to cut some page numbers down due to shared equipment (a land raider is a land raider is a land raider after all)

The rest of the IoM: about 7 codices (granted only the IM, Sisters of Battle and admech stuff are anywhere close to fully in depth)

Xenos: 8 codices (and most of those are complete sized factions with minimal sharing)

then you have Chaos: which is, being generous, 4 factions.


given day 1 is supposed to give us a new faction we've "never seen before". I'd not be suprised if it was chaos. the question is "what"? my guess is something chaosy. proably something brand new, but if it was something with eistablished lore already, I'd toss "dark mechium" out.. that or maybe some sort of chaos xenos race

If they ever gave some love to the Orks anddid the Klans theyd get a book too. Orks rival the Marines in how much kit they got (albeit half blows up in their faces). So much it's impossible to get it all in even a couple armies and highly inadvisable to try. Each of the Klans represent the different ways Orks wage war dialed to eleven. It's also how Orks armies are most effective - pick a strategy/theme and saturate the table with it.

Titanicus wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
I think it will be xenos empires (Eldar, Tau, and Necrons) and Xenos threats (Orks, Tyranids, GSC/insert new baddy here). The other obvious answer is it will be a book of various flavors of Eldar, and then a book for the rest of us.

All the eldar in one book wouldn't even be unreasonable as a stand alone they currently have 5 factions.

DE CE ynnari harlequins and corsair from FW (forgeworld units are supposed to have rules available day 1 as well)

So that would make the five base rulebooks: Space marines, Imperium of man, Eldar, Xenos, and Chaos. seems fairly balanced content wise.

Xenos would be Orks, Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids (w/ GSC).

Chaos Would be Chaos space marines, renegades and heretics, and various flavors of chaos daemons.

IoM would be Knights, IG, Sisters, Ad Mech, inquisition (except for GK and deathwatch who would be in the space marines book), as well as the various sub-factions like skitarii, and miltarium tempestus.

Space marines would be our six flavors of power armor, Codex marines, dark angels, space wolves, blood angels, deathwatch, and grey knights.

Eldar would be DE, CE, ynnari, harlequins, and corsairs.

I think that will be /thread

That their rules will be in one location
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