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So I finally got my first few games of 8e today, and the rules work quite well. Could do with some more detail, and I could do with some more spare money for Eldar minis (as per usual).

We ran two infantry-based 200 point games to get me back in the game (as I average around 1.5 games per year since leaving school). This was met with immediate objection by my opponent, as he wanted to play 1,500 points. I don't have 1,500 and can barely make 1,000 with my Eldar (a horridly-balanced 1,000).
For these two games I took two Guardian Squads with Shuricannon Platform, against his Sternguard (with some extas). Won the first game, causing him to be a little salty (he's always been a bit of a sore loser, but his rolls were sub-par). We ran a rematch, and he won (I failed to guestimate what he would do, and got outplayed),

We then agreed to run a 500-point battle of anything we wanted. He took two Razorbacks with Assault Cannon (which he complained should be Assault X , instead of Heavy X) and Storm Bolter, and two tactical squads with power sword sergeant and heavy bolter. I took a Ynnari Farseer, Waithguard with D-Scythes and Wave Serpent (My only AT option, the rest is Guardians, DA and Swooping Hawks).

He combat squadded his tacticals, putting four marines and a powersword sergeant in each Razorback, and placed his remaining marines on a plateau, with the Razorbacks next to the terrain feature. I deployed behind some LOS-block (everything in the Serpent).
He failed to seize the initiative, and I went first.

Turn 1 he complained that the Serpent has a 16" movement, when Razorbacks "can only go 10". Eh, whaddaya gonna do. I slightly reposition, trying to get him to come to me.
He takes his turn by getting line of sight with his Razorbacks and Heavy Bolters, and tries to chip my armour. Luckily, nothing happens.

Turn 2, I hop over the cover, and land next to his Razorbacks. I declare I'm firin' mah layzor (Twin Bright Lance), and proceed to miss. I predict next turn gon' hurt.
He disembarks his melee marines, and moves closer. Whole army fires on the Serpent, and then he assaults it. By the end of the turn, he's brought it down to 5 wounds, and is getting salty and saying that it should be dead (well, it's not).

Turn 3, the Wraithguard and Farseer disembark, and advance a collective 8" around his tacticals and *just* within 8" of his closest Razorback. WS uses its shield to flatten 3 marines (rolled a 5 on a D3), and the Farseer casts Smite and Thingy of the Phoenix. The Razorback takes heavy damage, but still stands. Wraithguard take their shooting phase, and finish it off. I have now killed 105 points of transport and 39 points of boltgun marines, in exchange for a nearly-dead Wave Serpent. Seems fair to me, and he can now kite my Wraithguard. Assault phase comes up, and he shaves more wounds off my WS.
By now my opponent is constantly making excuses, pulling faces, and declaring the rules to be "bull****" and says that they make no sense.
On his turn, he takes out one Wraithguard, wounds another, and wins the assault on the Wave Serpent. All while loudly protesting that it's unfair that he can't shoot my Farseer when she's surrounded by the Wraithguard.

Turn 4, I manage to catch his second Razorback with three of my Wraithguard, and the Smite/Phoenix/D-Scythe cycle inflicts 6 wounds, putting it down to 4. More complaining about how vehicles are useless now.
His go, and he moves some tacticals behing my Farseer and Wraithguard, and after some shooting manages to get a clear shot at the Farseer, while accusing me of cheating for not taking casualties from the front (which would have subjected my Farseer to 8 Boltguns and 2 Heavy Bolters), and for Wraithguard having 3 wounds per model...
Now he starts flicking my nicely painted Eldrad-converted Farseer in the face. I tell him not to, and get accused of throwing dice at his models (which I didn't). He then uses some flanking Tacticals to shoot my farseer one burst of shots gets deflected by the Invulnerable, and a second from another unit rolls four hits. All seems well. He rolls to wound, gets two 1's and before he thinks I saw them, he picks them up and says "four wounds". I tell him he rolled two ones (I couldn't see the other two), and tell him I will assume the other two were successful. I roll my saves, and Lady Luck scorns cheaters.

Now he actually tries to break my Farseer.

I draw the line at that and order him to pack up and get out of my house. Ten minutes of complaining and accusations of cheating later, he leaves.

I have known this guy for longer than I can remember, and his poorly-painted Ultramarines seem to be more valuable than friends.

So in conclusion, the Wraithguard Ynnari combo was less OP than I was expecting (especially as he could have run away from it), my Opponent went from Bro to Asshat when he thought he was about to lose his silly blue dudes, and 8e for me gets a rating of 11/9 the rules fly like a plane and land like a terrorist incident.

EDIT: Just got a FBook message from him, and I shall give it to you as-is:

"As you refused to tell me the point we were playing in advance knowing that I had no good options available I consider your faliur to ask for kill team for the last game an unacaptable breach of good faith. I will no longer play warhamner with you, others things may be considered but please note that your phone and Facebook account will be muted. Good day sir."

Now he starts flicking my nicely painted Eldrad-converted Farseer in the face.

I feel like this is the wargamming equivalent of slapping someone in the face. Shootouts have happened over less. You sir need new friends.

I see that plenty of Marine player are still bringing glory to our name.
*sigh*
In all honesty he just doesn't sound that pleasant to play against, I mean, I can get a bit salty sometimes while playing if things go horribly against me, but your friend here takes the cake. I can't say much about his painting, as I don't do all that much of that myself, but for crying out loud. Friends are a bit more important than little plastic soldiers.

Lol, wow. I wouldn't be too torn up about losing a friend like that = no friend at all!

If this guy is this warped about a game of toy soldiers, consider some of his other actions in another light. It's a new edition, things are different, and you had no clue going into it if your units were good or bad. He's just being overly salty from the sounds of it, and isn't someone I'd want to have in my gaming circle; especially if he's trying to damage your stuff.

How old is this guy? If he's a grown man operating on that level of emotional maturity, he's got a lot of issues outside of losing a game of 40k, an you don't want anything to do with that.

He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university, studying chemistry. He also regularly attends the local wargaming club. No idea how.

Sometimes I wonder if this hobby draws in some unstable people. It sure seems that way sometimes. Regardless, when someone starts touching my models...it's game over. When you wound and kill my dudes, I pick up my models and remove them. A player should be responsible for handling their own models, period. You are probably better off without this guy tbh.

I had friends like this back in college.

They had to win at everything, and when they lost, it was so painful for everyone involved, because they made giant scenes, called people names, and were generally offensive.

Usually these guys have some deep seeded insecurities and inadequacies they're dealing with. One guy struggled to graduate, but had a younger brother who was a literal genius, and short-tracked everything, passed him by, and had a stellar career while this guy was still delivering pizzas. He had been outshined by his brother in every facet of life. So when it came time to game - any kind of game - this guy just absolutely had to win, to prove his intellect.

I joined this group a year or two after it was established, as a friend of mine for many years was a part of it. Most of the people understood this guy had a gentle ego, and in competitive games they knew to either let him win, or just praise him constantly and self-deprecate so he felt good throughout the process. I didn't know these things. In my first few gaming experiences with him, I didn't do these little exercises, and when i'd win, he literally flipped out, calling me all kinds of names smashing his own tables or whatever, just going crazy. But the following day, he was back to normal, nothing happened, let's be pals! It was so weird. I don't associate with him anymore. And i'm better for it.

I seem to be in a bad area for friend-making. Half the kids in my school got hooked onto dumbass trends, drugs, alcohol, knifecrime etc. The better ones varies wildly in their interests, and by the time I had left school only two people hadn't been an utter nightmare to play with. One of those moves to another country, and the other was this guy (seemingly by virtue of my regular losing at 40k, enforced by my habit of buying into the weakest army of each edition).

I had another "friend" a few years ago who had the emotional maturity this one displayed, but all the time. Put up with him for years as I used to be WAAAY more agreeable than I am now, but eventually axed him after he kept verbally attacking my other friends.

Now I am down to a gaming group of zero, from three that I could meet outside of and after leaving school.

Good thing I seem resistant to loneliness, and will be heading to uni soon.

If your story is all true your friend is a real piece of gak.

And nothing of value was lost.

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old.

Omg. I was about to ask if he was like twelve. Definitely a melt. Bin him off and get some new mates. Life's too short to try and play games with giant children.

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university

Ah, that actually explains everything

 Luciferian wrote:

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university

Ah, that actually explains everything

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure I remember what he was like before uni, and he *did* vote Labour last election, which is odd as he is from a Conservative household and area.

 Marmatag wrote:
I had friends like this back in college.

They had to win at everything, and when they lost, it was so painful for everyone involved, because they made giant scenes, called people names, and were generally offensive.

Usually these guys have some deep seeded insecurities and inadequacies they're dealing with. One guy struggled to graduate, but had a younger brother who was a literal genius, and short-tracked everything, passed him by, and had a stellar career while this guy was still delivering pizzas. He had been outshined by his brother in every facet of life. So when it came time to game - any kind of game - this guy just absolutely had to win, to prove his intellect.

I joined this group a year or two after it was established, as a friend of mine for many years was a part of it. Most of the people understood this guy had a gentle ego, and in competitive games they knew to either let him win, or just praise him constantly and self-deprecate so he felt good throughout the process. I didn't know these things. In my first few gaming experiences with him, I didn't do these little exercises, and when i'd win, he literally flipped out, calling me all kinds of names smashing his own tables or whatever, just going crazy. But the following day, he was back to normal, nothing happened, let's be pals! It was so weird. I don't associate with him anymore. And i'm better for it.

That sounds like bipolar or something.

See if you can find a local gaming club or something. The internet's handy like that.

 Nazrak wrote:
See if you can find a local gaming club or something. The internet's handy like that.

Tried that. Closest is a 2-hour drive from here, and only operates on Tuesday evenings (wtf, why?).

I have two GW stores, but I often can't get to them for transportational reasons (I can't drive yet, and local transport is costly and slow), and they each have 1 or 2 gaming tables that are often only allowed for AoS games.

I am snookered.

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university, studying chemistry. He also regularly attends the local wargaming club. No idea how.

I had plenty time to wargame while I was studying.

With that said, you are a saint for putting up with him that long. I am by all means a patient person but there are some things I don't tolerate: being called a cheat before someone even asks me to show me the rules, cheating and disrespect towards someone's models.

I get that accidents happens and sometimes models get damaged, no big deal it's only plastic. But intentional actions that have a high risk of damaging models is something I just don't fething tolerate from anyone except a young child (and even then there should be an adult to keep that child in check). It's not about the model, it's about the basic level of respect that you don't damage things of others, especially things that people put a lot of work and time in.
I have berated people for merely picking up models that aren't theirs without asking (if there is no good reason for them to do so). You get an earful for that, I can assure you.

Remember: A friend is only a friend when they act like a friend. This person does not act like a friend.

DaPino wrote:
I am by all means a patient person but there are some things I don't tolerate: being called a cheat before someone even asks me to show me the rules, cheating and disrespect towards someone's models.

It got rather.. interesting.. the way we ran the games. We were still learning the rules (or at least, I was), and I had a printout of the battle primer and faq, he had his Index and I had mine. Before taking any action I was unsure of, I read the relevant rules out loud, with the book open to him. Still got accused.

well, he sounds like an ass....but you can't cast Ynnari powers with your farseer, only Runes of Fate.

Can't you? Oops :/

That's a right shame mate, I know someone who's a bit like that that I play against sometimes (real saw loser and massive rules lawyer but you can still have a conversation with him outside of games so we keep him around ).

Good job your moving off to Uni soon, maybe fined a new gaming group and some better quality friends. In the mean time, have you tried player tracker on Dakka? Not tried it myself but desperate times...

Seems like this guy definitely fails on one of my favorite sayings: "The objective of the game is to win. The _point_ of the game is to have fun." Definitely missing the point.

Like others have said, sounds like you're better off without him. I would have told him to GTFO the instant he started smacking models around or the like. That's behavior you expect from a 7 year old, and when they do that they should be getting a time out and no ice cream. When an "adult" does it, they should learn to like being alone as everyone tells them to get out and doesn't socialize with them anymore.

Other than that, sounds like you overall liked 8th, which is cool. I haven't had a chance to play yet, but haven't played 40k since the end of 2nd edition, so looking forward to it. I'm sure that my first few games I will screw up a bunch of rules--everyone does that when starting a new game. The proper thing to do in that case is say, "Ooops, my bad. Now I know" and move on. Which it sounds like Selym's willing to do, so good.

 Selym wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university

Ah, that actually explains everything

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure I remember what he was like before uni, and he *did* vote Labour last election, which is odd as he is from a Conservative household and area.

Don't think you understand how politics works, mate.

 Nazrak wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Selym wrote:
He's 21 years old, and has spent the last three years at university

Ah, that actually explains everything

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure I remember what he was like before uni, and he *did* vote Labour last election, which is odd as he is from a Conservative household and area.

Don't think you understand how politics works, mate.

Fairly certain I do. Voting Labour given what the guy has previously said about things is odd, Unis in the UK, US and Canada have a strong left bias, with a potential to recruit for Social Justice Warriors. He ain't no warrior, and I usually avoid mentioning politics with him, but there is potential in that direction, where people come to the belief that their emotions should be catered to above all else. They never vote for the Right, because the Right emphasises individual responsibility and accountability (to the point of trying to remove social care). The line of reasoning implied here is that he could have gone that way.

Could we can the politics discussion, please? This isn't Facebook.

Yes, let's. Back to the discussion of friends, do many people make friends over 40k?

I did as a young teen, but only once, and only because we had exactly the same sense of humour about guardsmen. This was the dude that moved away.

A lot of my friends picked up 40k during 2nd edition so it was already a part of my social circle. Out of all those guys who are still around, I'm the only one who just got back into it. I still hang out with all of them, though. I'm kind of feeling around for places to play and meet other hobbyists, but I don't have very much time at all so it's slow going.

You don't touch other peoples models. I've seen people just short of fisticuffs and NO ONE has ever even considered going after the models. It's the one tennent of wargaming that should never, ever be broken.

 Selym wrote:
Yes, let's. Back to the discussion of friends, do many people make friends over 40k?

I did as a young teen, but only once, and only because we had exactly the same sense of humour about guardsmen. This was the dude that moved away.

I started playing 40k 7 months ago and have made several friends not knowing anyone getting into it. But I've always been a social person and talk gak while I play so some people find me entertaining I guess. We got a cool group of people where I play which hearing your story I count myself lucky. Looks like moving might be a good thing to shake up your social scene.

My oldest friends are from playing 40k in GW shops, several are ex staff members.

Known them over a decade now, played two of them just today.