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I've created a couple of other posts re my plans as I am new/ soon to be back into Warhammer/40k.

I have a few questions in terms of modelling and painting that relate to both the looks of the models aesthetically and their usability when playing.

The army I am looking to start is space wolves. Some advice I have been given in terms of money saving is to buy boxes such as Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero and Dark Millenium. Then taking the marines from these sets and making them more like space wolves with other parts from sprues from other space wolf sets.

My questions are:

* In the Betrayal of Calth set the Juggernauts look nothing like space wolf ones (I don't know if it's because it's a different faction or because they are supposed to be older models) is it possible to make this look like a normal space wolf one and if you didn't would it still be usable in a space wolf army?

*The same question applies for the space wolves units in the Burning of prospero set where they have old looking iron helmets like knights (I assume older armour types) are these still usable as they are in a space wolves army or would you have to make them look more modern?

*One thing I thought would look cool on the shoulder pads would be to use the decals as a guide and use modelling putty to create 3D symbols on the shoulder pads such as the wolf heads or whatever. For this I was wanting to know does this go against the lore? e.g. are these actually supposed to be painted on in the world of 40k? Would this mean I couldn't use them? Also in terms of decals I noticed that the decals represent different parts of the space wolf armies and wasn't sure if you are supposed to use only one logo within your army or whatever.

Sorry if this all seems really obvious but previously when I used to collect Warhammer I never constructed an army to use. I just bought things that looked cool and built/ painted as I wanted.

Play what you want, and how you want. Ideally to garner no negative feedback from opponents the only real things to note are that A) the model is the correct size, and B) the model is armed with the items you've included in your army list.

(i.e. a model with a chainsword and a bolt pistol...has a chainsword and a bolt pistol).

From a lore-standpoint, the only things to be really avoided would be obvious model portions from opposing or different chapters - so avoid including dedicated Blood Angels models in your force, etc.

Space Wolves vary immensely from Great Company to Great Company and are one of the easiest chapters to put your own touch on.

Note that people suggesting the Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero box sets are recommending them because they're a fantastic value for the models you get (and with the one Geigor character as the exception...they are not tied to any chapter). The models do represent Space Marines from the Horus Heresy era (around 10,000 years ago or 30,000) --- but there is nothing stopping you from using a Space Marine model...as a Space Marine.

Likewise the Terminators (Juggernauts?) you mentioned in your post - they're a different model, but still Terminators. No one will give you flak for saying "Hey, these are my terminators" - cool, rock on. Just make sure they're armed appropriately to match your army list.

The dreadnought in Betrayal at Calth is indeed a different "version" dreadnought and has its own rules in the new indexes, but you can just as easily run it as whatever dreadnought you want --- no one's going to give you crap unless you're attending a large tournament.

Elbows said it perfectly. Space wolves get a lot of variety so you will be fine. I will add some ideas for making them space wolves. Look online for bits from Chaos warriors and such. Often bits places have chaos warrior cloaks, helmets weapons etc and they all sort of fit the space wolf ideas. (Of course finding space wolf bits works even better) The reality of the game is that each chapter of space marines has this huge collection of gear and such from all eras and tries desperately to maintain it. So any dreadnaught could show up, just bodge the one you want into a space wolf...you know claws for his dreadnaught CC weapon, maybe hang a cloak off his ranged gun, a wolf head over his own sarcophagus, stuff like that.
Also, share your ideas here! There are a lot of really great modelers who love to help and such, so do not fear the critique! Hey, I run a sub chapter of the white scars. The space leopards (which is kind of a dorky name but...) anyway, I used Ogre kingdom arms to make my guys look like they have vests and huge buff arms etc. This could work for Space wolves. It did take work. And here is a link to how I made my dreadnaught look like a mongol type guy. Maybe it has some ideas for you. Also, just search what other people have done. I have seen some crazy cool space wolf stuff here.

http://edwardmystcreations.weebly.com/space-leopards.html

 Elbows wrote:
Play what you want, and how you want. Ideally to garner no negative feedback from opponents the only real things to note are that A) the model is the correct size, and B) the model is armed with the items you've included in your army list.

(i.e. a model with a chainsword and a bolt pistol...has a chainsword and a bolt pistol).

From a lore-standpoint, the only things to be really avoided would be obvious model portions from opposing or different chapters - so avoid including dedicated Blood Angels models in your force, etc.

Space Wolves vary immensely from Great Company to Great Company and are one of the easiest chapters to put your own touch on.

Note that people suggesting the Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero box sets are recommending them because they're a fantastic value for the models you get (and with the one Geigor character as the exception...they are not tied to any chapter). The models do represent Space Marines from the Horus Heresy era (around 10,000 years ago or 30,000) --- but there is nothing stopping you from using a Space Marine model...as a Space Marine.

Likewise the Terminators (Juggernauts?) you mentioned in your post - they're a different model, but still Terminators. No one will give you flak for saying "Hey, these are my terminators" - cool, rock on. Just make sure they're armed appropriately to match your army list.

The dreadnought in Betrayal at Calth is indeed a different "version" dreadnought and has its own rules in the new indexes, but you can just as easily run it as whatever dreadnought you want --- no one's going to give you crap unless you're attending a large tournament.

Thanks very much for the help.

The Dreadnought is what I meant sorry not Juggernaut. This was the one I was most unsure of converting and trying to make look more like the Dreadnought of a space wolf and one from 40k rather than 30k lol.

This all sounds good and I really doubt I would be playing in a large tournament so it wouldn't really matter.


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edwardmyst wrote:
Elbows said it perfectly. Space wolves get a lot of variety so you will be fine. I will add some ideas for making them space wolves. Look online for bits from Chaos warriors and such. Often bits places have chaos warrior cloaks, helmets weapons etc and they all sort of fit the space wolf ideas. (Of course finding space wolf bits works even better) The reality of the game is that each chapter of space marines has this huge collection of gear and such from all eras and tries desperately to maintain it. So any dreadnaught could show up, just bodge the one you want into a space wolf...you know claws for his dreadnaught CC weapon, maybe hang a cloak off his ranged gun, a wolf head over his own sarcophagus, stuff like that.
Also, share your ideas here! There are a lot of really great modelers who love to help and such, so do not fear the critique! Hey, I run a sub chapter of the white scars. The space leopards (which is kind of a dorky name but...) anyway, I used Ogre kingdom arms to make my guys look like they have vests and huge buff arms etc. This could work for Space wolves. It did take work. And here is a link to how I made my dreadnaught look like a mongol type guy. Maybe it has some ideas for you. Also, just search what other people have done. I have seen some crazy cool space wolf stuff here.

http://edwardmystcreations.weebly.com/space-leopards.html

This is a great help thanks. I will have a look now!


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I think these two are examples of what I could try do with the dreadnaughts from the betrayal of calth box...
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgeworld.co.uk%2Fresources%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2F600x620%2F99550101545_SWContemptor05.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgeworld.co.uk%2Fen-NL%2FSpace-Wolves-Legion-Contemptor-Dreadnought-2017&docid=5baC3TjgWC8GpM&tbnid=zsz1HUejHVFgIM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwik3Z_l_ODUAhXMB8AKHe0hBQcQMwhCKBYwFg..i&w=600&h=620&bih=770&biw=1600&q=space%20wolf%20dreadnought&ved=0ahUKEwik3Z_l_ODUAhXMB8AKHe0hBQcQMwhCKBYwFg&iact=mrc&uact=8

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=space+wolf+juggernaut&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBGB724GB724&tbm=isch&imgil=dP64JSlmHLj4BM%253A%253BjQm_5xH_uP-a7M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fbobpanda.de%25252Fwarhammer%25252Fspace-wolves-gallery%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=dP64JSlmHLj4BM%253A%252CjQm_5xH_uP-a7M%252C_&usg=__GA4-6J8OZHDU5KBhVFO93AFSljw%3D&biw=1600&bih=770&ved=0ahUKEwjQ9pHD_ODUAhUHCMAKHZskCaAQyjcIMw&ei=_9pTWZD7G4eQgAabyaSACg#tbm=isch&q=space+wolf+dreadnought&imgrc=rZPLGQVIU8sxCM:

Yep, if you want to "convert" your Contemptor dreadnought from the BaC game --- you can start by going to eBay and just type in "warhammer space wolf" or add "bits" to that. You can find some reasonably priced bits to throw onto the dreadnought --- swapping weapons will require a bit more work.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, if you want to "convert" your Contemptor dreadnought from the BaC game --- you can start by going to eBay and just type in "warhammer space wolf" or add "bits" to that. You can find some reasonably priced bits to throw onto the dreadnought --- swapping weapons will require a bit more work.

Good idea thanks :-)

Sounds like you have some ideas now! Please give us a look with what you find.

Betrayal at calth and burning of prospero are both 30k starter sets, not 40k. Those are 2 different settings (same universe, different time) and 2 different rule sets. That said there is absolutley nothing preventing you from playing 30k space wolves in 40k. The only real problem would be that 30k and 40k space wolves are organised differently, meaning that right now you probably have a lot of marines with bolters and no special weapons that you want to take (but don't have to).

Power Elephant wrote:
Betrayal at calth and burning of prospero are both 30k starter sets, not 40k. Those are 2 different settings (same universe, different time) and 2 different rule sets. That said there is absolutley nothing preventing you from playing 30k space wolves in 40k. The only real problem would be that 30k and 40k space wolves are organised differently, meaning that right now you probably have a lot of marines with bolters and no special weapons that you want to take (but don't have to).

Yeah thanks, the more I look at it I'm considering the dark imperium box with a few other units and bits to mix in as I'll need the rule book etc anyway and don't mind building the other units just to paint and have.

Just one man's opinion: If I had my wolves to do over, I'd buy a tac box and a wolf box and use WAY LESS wolf stuff. Unless you really enjoy wolf stuff, it gets out of control. Like, every model with 8-10 wolfie things.

But if you love that stuff, you will LOVE painting space wolves. You can really make a little narrative with them.

Yeah proper mixing and matching can get you a lot of value out of your kits without burning a hole with all that extra junk.

30k starter boxes are great value for bodies and i think space wolves have a lot of mk3 stuff IIRC so having parts or models spaced around wouldnt look off.

dark imperium is pretty good cant go wrong with it. save cash by selling off the nurgle junk.

just get creative with bits and you can make it work.

unfortunately for me im doing imperial fists and they are about as flavorful as kashi beside the color.

 Desubot wrote:
Yeah proper mixing and matching can get you a lot of value out of your kits without burning a hole with all that extra junk.

30k starter boxes are great value for bodies and i think space wolves have a lot of mk3 stuff IIRC so having parts or models spaced around wouldnt look off.

dark imperium is pretty good cant go wrong with it. save cash by selling off the nurgle junk.

just get creative with bits and you can make it work.

unfortunately for me im doing imperial fists and they are about as flavorful as kashi beside the color.

Lol. Thanks, was thinking of just keeping the nurgle incase anyone I know who doesn't play wants to have a game then atleast I have two basic armies.


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 3orangewhips wrote:
Just one man's opinion: If I had my wolves to do over, I'd buy a tac box and a wolf box and use WAY LESS wolf stuff. Unless you really enjoy wolf stuff, it gets out of control. Like, every model with 8-10 wolfie things.

But if you love that stuff, you will LOVE painting space wolves. You can really make a little narrative with them.

Honestly one of the things I'm looking forward to the most is the modding/ modelling side of it, i've got loads of ideas already for brass looking wolf heads on helmets and shoulders, wolf skins, runes and everything.