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The datasheet for the attack bike says that its crewed by two space marines, equipped with bolt pistols, frag, and krak grenades. The grenade rule says :

"Each time a unit shoots, a single model in the unit that is equipped with Grenades may throw one instead of firing any other weapon."

One attack bike is a single model, but with two space marines, each marine has grenades. Can one space marine throw a grenade and the other shoot one of the guns ? I would say yes, but RAW would not allow it ?

You are on the correct path: it says a single model.
I really see no way of going around that other than the good old "house-rule".

p5freak wrote:
Can one space marine throw a grenade and the other shoot one of the guns ? I would say yes, but RAW would not allow it ?

This is a contradictory statement. Might as well say "Can my Dreadnought move 400" and use 96D11 for charge range? I would say yes, but RAW would not allow it ?"

There is no rules exception attached to being "crewed" by 2 space marines, it follows the same shooting rules as any other model. While muddy it would be acceptable IMHO to say that it could fire both pistols since it's a single model with two pistols, but grenades are explicitly one per model, and an attack bike is one model.

Iirc the pistols rule allows for firing more than one pistol per model. Just if a player elects to fire pistols they can only fire pistols with the model.

In case of the attack bikes as stated previously, it's a single model so if it throws a grenade that's the models only shooting attack.

They really should have given a special stat line for Two Bolt Pistols, but I see no reason why firing 2 x Bolt Pistol isn't intended given the wording.

So your firing options are all non-Pistol/Grenade weapons, two Bolt Pistols or one Grenade. It's rare you're gonna want to use an Attack Bike for Grenade purposes. If you're that close you're on 4 Bolter shots, which is already better/same as average Grenade attacks. Add in your main gun and you're better off not grenading.

Cool, if i can shoot both pistols I can use one grenade for one pistol attack.

No you cant. The rules let a model fire all standard weapons OR all pistols OR one grenade

I can throw a grenade instead of shooting any other weapon. A pistol is any other weapon.

p5freak wrote:
I can throw a grenade instead of shooting any other weapon. A pistol is any other weapon.

You do know the meaning of any, right?

You can either shoot both pistols, or one grenade. But of course you know this, you do nothing but argue in bad faith.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

p5freak wrote:
I can throw a grenade instead of shooting any other weapon. A pistol is any other weapon.

You do know the meaning of any, right?

You can either shoot both pistols, or one grenade. But of course you know this, you do nothing but argue in bad faith.

Looks like don't. Please explain to me why a pistol is not any other weapon.

The rule for shooting specifies a model can fire all of it's guns (Rapid fire, assault and heavy) OR all of its pistols OR throw a single grenade. you have to pick from one of the categories of shooting presented for each model. Despite the bike saying it is crewed by 2 marines, it is still one model so either both marines shoot their guns, they shoot their pistols or one throws a grenade. those are the options.

p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

p5freak wrote:
I can throw a grenade instead of shooting any other weapon. A pistol is any other weapon.

You do know the meaning of any, right?

You can either shoot both pistols, or one grenade. But of course you know this, you do nothing but argue in bad faith.

Looks like don't. Please explain to me why a pistol is not any other weapon.

If a model throws a Grenade it can't fire any other weapons (plus only one Grenade per unit).

If a model fires a Pistol it can't fire any non-Pistol weapons.

This is why I wrote the options I did above. Hope that helps.

Yep, agreed.

1) All normal shooting weapons.
2) All pistols.
3) One grenade.

Those are your choices.

It's "instead of any other weapon" not "instead of another weapon". There is a semantic difference.

Correct, and this is where GW rules writing is generally really poor - particularly the lack of proper technical editing. The overwhelming majority of arguments (read: "discussions") here on Dakka are based around poorly worded rules --- the intent is incredibly obvious, but there's a segment of people who enjoy pushing their glasses up and starting every argument with "Well, technically...."

I'm no technical editor, but I've received a lot of feedback from some friends who are when I was writing my own game. Ideally it would have been stated:

"One model in the unit may throw a single grenade in place of its other weapons" or something similar.

It's technical and annoying, but they are in serious need of a style-book and better technical editing to avoid stuff like this. At the end of the day it's a game of toy soldiers though...so there's that.

Ok, RAW you are right. Yes, a single marine couldnt shoot its gun and throw a grenade. Its either of those. But the attack bike is one unit with two marines. The bike has two attacks (because two marines), and two pistols (because two marines), and can shoot both their guns (because two marines). But they can only throw one grenade. Makes no sense. I wouldnt say no if my opponent would like to do it. Because it makes sense.

From page 170 of Codex Space Marines (emphasis added):

Each model is equipped with a twin boltgun and a heavy bolter, and is crewed by two Space Marines armed with bolt pistols, frag grenades and krak grenades.

The Attack Bike is still ONE model.

Yes, RAW you are right. I already said that, didnt i ? But from a logical point of view, it makes no sense.

p5freak wrote:
Yes, RAW you are right. I already said that, didnt i ? But from a logical point of view, it makes no sense.

Logical is this is a game. Logical you follow the rules for the game.

Yeah, RAW is clear, and, since the Attack Bike lacks a special rule allowing it to, RAI is also clear, and it's RAW.

p5freak wrote:
Yes, RAW you are right. I already said that, didnt i ? But from a logical point of view, it makes no sense.

It makes no sense for a unit of 10 that only 1 person can ever throw a grenade. Now, I don't say that it's common for everyone to be throwing grenades at the same time, but it's not unheard of for 2-3, depending on disbursement.

Up until recently, everyone had to shoot at the same target, so things "making sense" isn't always a requirement.

To the OP, it's been explained to you what the rules are, and there's no debate about them here. Protesting about them won't achieve much - better off starting a thread in Proposed Rules to chat about alterations, as this one is pretty cut and dried.

That said you're free to house rule it however you like in friendlies.

Now that all models can fire all their weapons attack bikes lost a little flair... I was really hoping they would get some new load outs. Plasma cannon or heavy flamer would be awesome for them. But oh well. I don't think we will be seeing any new bike models anytime soon. A primaris attack bike would be rhino sized!

p5freak wrote:
I can throw a grenade instead of shooting any other weapon. A pistol is any other weapon.

There's already an enormous thread about that already.

Why is this even a thread? There are dozens of models that have 2 or more beings on them. It is one model.

Just a refresher....

This game is an abstraction. It isn't real. Get over it.

When a model wants to shoot ranged weapons, it has the following options.

1) It may fire a single Grenade.

2) It may fire all of it's Pistol type weapons.

3) It may fire all of it's non-pistol and non-grenade type weapons.