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2017/10/16 23:32:18
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Ok, so if you had a brood of three carnifex would it be a single "drop" if you placed all three in reserve in three tyranocites? Also, if they came into the board within 6".
Why I think it's a single drop is it says they behave as separate units after deployment from that moment onwards. So does that mean until its on the board it's a single force org slot AKA drop?
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20,000 Warriors of Khorne
3,000 CSM
5,000 guard
2200 Tyranids |
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2017/10/16 23:45:48
Subject: Re:Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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As in 3 carnifexes in one role slot, no. You have to set them up in 6" to at least one other model of the unit. Embarked they are not in 6".
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If Khorne needs blood, will drown him in his own blood!
If Slaanesh wants pleasure, then we´ll give him DEATH, the greatest pleasure known to man!
If Tzeentch asks for forbidden knowledge, then we will enlighten him with fear of The God Machine!
If Nurgle wants us to embrace rebirth, then to hell with that, the Guard embrace Death, we live to DIE! |
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2017/10/16 23:50:26
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Norn Queen
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You can't take 1 brood of 3 carnifex in 3 tyranacites. If you want to do that you need to take 3 broods of 1.
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2017/10/17 00:00:29
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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I don't understand where it states this. The book reads as follows:
"The first time this unit is set up on the battle field, all of its models must be placed within 6" of at least one other model in their unit."
This isn't broken if during deployment (while they are considered a single force org slot) if placed inside the drop pods. Unless I am missing something?
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20,000 Warriors of Khorne
3,000 CSM
5,000 guard
2200 Tyranids |
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2017/10/17 00:16:33
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Norn Queen
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Skawt wrote:I don't understand where it states this. The book reads as follows:
"The first time this unit is set up on the battle field, all of its models must be placed within 6" of at least one other model in their unit."
This isn't broken if during deployment (while they are considered a single force org slot) if placed inside the drop pods. Unless I am missing something?
Because a Tyanocyte cannot fit 3 carnifex, therefore you cannot legally deploy them there.
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2017/10/17 00:16:33
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Lieutenant General
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Where are you finding permission to split what is a single unit until it is set upon the battlefield between multiple transports?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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2017/10/17 04:08:53
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Norn Queen
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Its a permission based rule set. A tyrannocyte does not have permission to transport a partial unit.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2017/10/17 12:04:37
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Does the rule set list the tyranocites as holding a squad or a model count?(at work)
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20,000 Warriors of Khorne
3,000 CSM
5,000 guard
2200 Tyranids |
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2017/10/17 16:54:09
Subject: Re:Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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20 INFANTRY or a single MONSTER with a wound characteristic of 14 wounds or less.
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If Khorne needs blood, will drown him in his own blood!
If Slaanesh wants pleasure, then we´ll give him DEATH, the greatest pleasure known to man!
If Tzeentch asks for forbidden knowledge, then we will enlighten him with fear of The God Machine!
If Nurgle wants us to embrace rebirth, then to hell with that, the Guard embrace Death, we live to DIE! |
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2017/10/17 17:50:59
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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So no permissions are broken placing each creature in a separate pod then once they land at the same time they land 6" from one another?
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20,000 Warriors of Khorne
3,000 CSM
5,000 guard
2200 Tyranids |
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2017/10/17 17:53:49
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Skawt wrote:So no permissions are broken placing each creature in a separate pod then once they land at the same time they land 6" from one another?
Can parts of units be in separate transports?
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2017/10/17 17:59:28
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Norn Queen
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Skawt wrote:So no permissions are broken placing each creature in a separate pod then once they land at the same time they land 6" from one another?
Yes, there are, because when they deploy in reserves they cannot by definition be within 6" away from each other. They are <Null Value>" from each other.
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2017/10/17 18:49:14
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Nothing in the rules says a unit can be split across multiple transports, and until deployed the Fexes are one unit, so this isn't viable sadly.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2017/10/17 19:04:03
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Agreed, since it's still one unit until deployed on the board, you can't break up the unit like that since it's still treated as one unit at that point. Otherwise, Orks could break up a 30 Boyz-strong unit between 3 Trukks, or a full sized unit of Conscripts could be broken up and carried in a convoy of Chimeras.
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2017/10/17 19:04:33
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge
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Thanks everyone for the input. I'm not trying to outdo troll anyone just I honestly thought this might be possible. Is their a way to contact GW to address this in a FAQ?
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20,000 Warriors of Khorne
3,000 CSM
5,000 guard
2200 Tyranids |
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2017/10/17 19:20:23
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Norn Queen
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Skawt wrote:Thanks everyone for the input. I'm not trying to outdo troll anyone just I honestly thought this might be possible. Is their a way to contact GW to address this in a FAQ? There is no need. Read the transports side bar. Find any permission to split a single unit into multiple transports. It doesn't exist? It's cause you can't.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/10/17 19:20:49
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2017/10/17 19:45:02
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Skawt wrote:Thanks everyone for the input. I'm not trying to outdo troll anyone just I honestly thought this might be possible. Is their a way to contact GW to address this in a FAQ?
If you want to, yes. I believe their email is on the gw site somewhere. I disagree that it's needed, but if enough people send it in, they may address it.
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2017/10/17 22:59:26
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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They won't change the rule here. Changing the core Transport rule would mean allowing weird parallel stuff like one squad of Conscripts riding in 3 Chimeras, and the Codex is about to come out for Tyranids so they won't patch the Index entry now anyway even if they wanted to.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2017/10/18 02:15:05
Subject: Tyranids - Carnifex brood deployment.
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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I assumed he meant to further clarify it, not to change it, but yeah. It's not changing.
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