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Been thinking about adding 1-2 of these to my DG.

When i break down points 1x Contemptor and 1x Decimator loaded with soulburners are nearly the same cost as a single leviathan Dread.

With the DG trait the 24" range on the deci and Con isnt much of a con since they both have massive moment with advancing, meaning there threat range is actually huge.

Levi with double butcher is a solid threat versus anything with 16 shots and solid melee despite no ap.

But the deci and con combo means i have both excellent value shooting, especially versus high toughness and invl save targets and very good melee with the cons double claws and almost double the wounds.

What are peoples thoughts? have i missed anything or is that a fair assessment?
   
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The Deathguard trait won’t help the Decimator, it doesn’t have the helbrute keyword and won’t benefit from it. Contemptors also can’t take the soulburner petard, just the underslung soulburner, though it isn’t that bad honestly.
   
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The Soulburner Decimators are really good, but I find that you need 2-3 of them to reliably take out a tough target. But 3 Decimators near a Lord or DP for re-rolls are able to take out Magnus in one salvo, which is sweet. They're also better off as Tzeentch daemons near the Changeling to make up for how (relatively) fragile they are. As Badablack points out above, they won't benefit from legion traits, and since Soulburners are Assault weapons anyways they wouldn't care.

I tried a double butcher DG Levi in a few games and it did some work, it's very pricy though and it hurts when you meet some elite killer units.

If you're running Nurgle Decimators, consider them with Epidemius and a lot of Nurgle daemons.

   
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Make them Alpha Legion (-1 to hit if 12" or more away)
Have a Changeling (another -1 to hit for all daemon units within 9" of a changeling)
A Daemon Prince with wings (reroll 1's, smite)
and have 4 or more Decimators.

Enemies shooting will be hitting with a -2. That is massive.
Characters go behind the decimators and cannot be shot at.
Rerolls of 1.

16D3 hits on a 3+ rerolling 1's for MW. It's nuts.
   
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Contemptors with fist and claw w/ 2 soulburners is brutal at close range and is fast enough to get there. For the Leviathan our Legion trait makes shooty dreads attractive, and the grav-flux bombard is probably the best overall weapon, despite my love of the butcher cannon. One of each marching forward as fire support seems optimal. I have yet to try one in game though

 
   
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Decimators are not Helbrutes so they won't get the AL legion trait
   
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Vortenger wrote:
Contemptors with fist and claw w/ 2 soulburners is brutal at close range and is fast enough to get there.

This is my favorite setup for Contemptors in my Death Guard. With the DG legion trait it can advance and still fire the soul burners without penalty, then when it gets into CC it opens up with chainclaw attacks, potentially gaining some wounds back via Machina Malifica. When it dies, Putrid Detonation turns it into a bomb.

For the Leviathan our Legion trait makes shooty dreads attractive, and the grav-flux bombard is probably the best overall weapon, despite my love of the butcher cannon. One of each marching forward as fire support seems optimal. I have yet to try one in game though

I'm not convinced the Leviathan is worth the points. I prefer the Deredeo for shooty dreads. It's almost as tough, packs a ton of anti-heavy-infantry firepower, can get bonuses vs flying vehicles, and is about 100 points less than a Leviathan.
   
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EDIT: NVM, FAQ.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/11/20 19:37:18


   
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 gwarsh41 wrote:
 Badablack wrote:
The Deathguard trait won’t help the Decimator, it doesn’t have the helbrute keyword and won’t benefit from it. Contemptors also can’t take the soulburner petard, just the underslung soulburner, though it isn’t that bad honestly.


Inexorable advance isn't the helbrute keyword, it's the helbrute model, unless GW did an FAQ for it.

They did faq it

DFTT 
   
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Captyn_Bob wrote:
 gwarsh41 wrote:
 Badablack wrote:
The Deathguard trait won’t help the Decimator, it doesn’t have the helbrute keyword and won’t benefit from it. Contemptors also can’t take the soulburner petard, just the underslung soulburner, though it isn’t that bad honestly.


Inexorable advance isn't the helbrute keyword, it's the helbrute model, unless GW did an FAQ for it.

They did faq it


Hah, I just went and double checked it after I posted. My bad!

As for the initial question, I think the Decimator and Leviathan have pretty obvious choices for their roles on the battlefield. As others stated, the Decimator does soulburners best. They are assault weapons and the decimator is pretty quick. The option to move the 10+D6 with an 18" range on the guns is pretty nice. I've used it as a ranged assassin in the past. It's medium range allows you to place the model easily, but because it can't fly, its generally only good at this against assault characters. It is a great harassment unit, and will draw a lot of fire when it deals those mortal wounds.

Leviathan's grav and melee abilities are too good to pass up, especially with IA allowing you to walk up the field and not suffer penalties. Without it, grav is a bit less appealing, the short range will hurt you. I have an opponent who runs 2 of them as night lords, however he rarely has a turn where he isn't -1 to hit because he has to reposition. The leviathan is crazy durable though, melee isn't a bad choice.

I haven't looked closely at the contemptor yet, but I will be soon.

   
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Just saw 2 contemptor plastic kits for 90$nz and bought 2 missile pods for another 40$ very nice prices so for the moment ill try 1 with 2 kheres canons and 1 with 2 claws and soul burners. Both with havoc launchers.

See how they go and then from there grab some fw weapon arms and in the future a Decimator!(model looks so cool)

Or would people suggest i just run std for the moment with 1 keres arm 1 claw and soul burner each?

I kinda like the double dakka because the dread then being all heavy weapons will only ever move, the double claw dread is then free to advance like a mofo all over and only suffers losing the havoc?? Should i just remove the havoc from the assaulty contemptor?

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After doing some math the Leviathan is a beast. Either butcher cannons or the grab guns depending on what you need.
   
 
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