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I have a bunker or a bastion or similar "transport" fortification on the table, with models inside. My opponent has assaulted it with models who are now within an inch.

The rules specifically state that the models inside the fortification can fire out, even thought the target is within 1" of the fortification... however can my other units shoot the "bubble wrapping" unit? Or do they need to assault them?

I assume they cannot be shot as they are within 1" of an enemy model but could do with YMDC clarification.

 Silentz wrote:

The rules specifically state that the models inside the fortification can fire out, even thought the target is within 1" of the fortification... however can my other units shoot the "bubble wrapping" unit? Or do they need to assault them?

I assume they cannot be shot as they are within 1" of an enemy model but could do with YMDC clarification.

Unless there is a special rule allowing units within 1" of a fortification to be attacked in the shooting phase i say no.

p5freak wrote:

 Silentz wrote:

The rules specifically state that the models inside the fortification can fire out, even thought the target is within 1" of the fortification... however can my other units shoot the "bubble wrapping" unit? Or do they need to assault them?

I assume they cannot be shot as they are within 1" of an enemy model but could do with YMDC clarification.

Unless there is a special rule allowing units within 1" of a fortification to be attacked in the shooting phase i say no.

HAHA THERE IS!

I am at work and didn't have the rules but just thought maybe I could search for hem and BOOM!


looking at the "Immobile" rule... "friendly units can still target units that are within 1" of this model"

Sorry. RTFM.

Great news though as it means that even if your unit gets trapped inside, you can use another unit to shoot them free. I was worried about not being able to disembark if I deployed the bunker aggressively.

It would require a lot of models to completely bubble wrap a bastion/bunker enough to prevent you from disembarking. I'm not even sure a 30 man unit of boys is enough bases. Remember, you don't have to disembark wholly within 3", you only have to disembark within 3". So like 7th edition toe-in-cover, you just need a part of each model in the disembarking unit to be 3" away from the bastion to be compliant.

 deviantduck wrote:
It would require a lot of models to completely bubble wrap a bastion/bunker enough to prevent you from disembarking. I'm not even sure a 30 man unit of boys is enough bases. Remember, you don't have to disembark wholly within 3", you only have to disembark within 3". So like 7th edition toe-in-cover, you just need a part of the disembarking unit to be 3" away from the bastion to be compliant.

Each model must be within 3" of the transport when disembarking. Not just part of a unit.

Correct. I meant model, not unit. I'll edit it.

But can you jump over a wrap of troops? I assume you need an exit point and can't teleport out of the vehicle to 3" away?

Maybe you can!

Transports/buildings no longer have/need doors. Models just have to be partially within 3" when disembarking.

 Silentz wrote:
But can you jump over a wrap of troops? I assume you need an exit point and can't teleport out of the vehicle to 3" away?

Maybe you can!

You can.

Forgive me, I'm new- but don't you also have to be more than 1" from an enemy as well as within 3" of your transport? Since most bases are bigger than 1" unless someone had all of his models pretty much base to base with the transport wouldn't it be almost impossible to deploy out?

BTW why is the game done in imperial measurements everywhere except base size? Do European markets use metric at all times or is it just dysfunctional in all geographic areas?

Which sounds better:
1", 1.28", 1.6", 2.4", 4.8"
1", 1 7/25", 1 3/5", 2 2/5", 4 4/5"
or
25mm, 32mm, 40mm, 60mm, 120mm

They could have just made the bases 1", 1 1/2" , 2", etc.. It's only odd numbers because you're converting from metric to imperial. If GW had decided to use imperial for their base size they could have used more "normal" sounding measurements.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
They could have just made the bases 1", 1 1/2" , 2", etc.. It's only odd numbers because you're converting from metric to imperial. If GW had decided to use imperial for their base size they could have used more "normal" sounding measurements.

They'd of also had some unreasonably big bases.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Forgive me, I'm new- but don't you also have to be more than 1" from an enemy as well as within 3" of your transport? Since most bases are bigger than 1" unless someone had all of his models pretty much base to base with the transport wouldn't it be almost impossible to deploy out?

BTW why is the game done in imperial measurements everywhere except base size? Do European markets use metric at all times or is it just dysfunctional in all geographic areas?

The game was invented in the 80's, long before the UK had culturally adopted metric measurements. In fact a lot of areas in the UK still use Imperial (Speed Limits being the big one.) Later games like BFG use centimetres. Don't forget when you disembark only a tiny sliver of the base has to be within 3", so you have a lot of wiggle room. In fact if a transport is totally surrounded by 1" bases, you can still disembark, you need 2 spaced ranks to block it.

Made with GIMP using the internal inches measurement https://imgur.com/a/kmUke (that's meant to be 4x7 ignore my dumbness)

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Forgive me, I'm new- but don't you also have to be more than 1" from an enemy as well as within 3" of your transport? Since most bases are bigger than 1" unless someone had all of his models pretty much base to base with the transport wouldn't it be almost impossible to deploy out?

BTW why is the game done in imperial measurements everywhere except base size? Do European markets use metric at all times or is it just dysfunctional in all geographic areas?

The game was invented in the 80's, long before the UK had culturally adopted metric measurements. In fact a lot of areas in the UK still use Imperial (Speed Limits being the big one.) Later games like BFG use centimetres. Don't forget when you disembark only a tiny sliver of the base has to be within 3", so you have a lot of wiggle room. In fact if a transport is totally surrounded by 1" bases, you can still disembark, you need 2 spaced ranks to block it.

Made with GIMP using the internal inches measurement https://imgur.com/a/kmUke (that's meant to be 4x7 ignore my dumbness)

Off topic, but it's gaming and history so here goes...

The original Rogue Trader book did talk about using inches for game measurements and then meters for "real" distances, with a conversion of 1 inch = 2 meters. That was somewhere at the start of the book, but I don't think it permeated very far beyond that.

Some of the precursor games that lead to WHFB did use metric centimetres for measurements, but I think that WHFB has always used inches. There must be some reason for that, maybe they were aiming at older gamers?

Adeptus Titanicus, which came out the year after WH40K, did use cm. After that I kind of drifted away from GW, so I've no idea if that was the start of a trend or a blip.

All the Epic scale games (and Gothic) used cm. all the other ones used in. It’s probably not a coincidence that the base measurement matches the typical infantry base size.