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Note that I’m not talking about having a mixed detachment. I’m talking about when every unit in a detachment meets the requirements to be from more than one faction.

For example, you might have a spearhead detachment comprising a nurgle daemon prince (from codex Death Guard) and three plagueburst crawlers. It would be both a death guard detachment and a chaos daemon (of Nurgle) detachment.

I think it’s possible to do the same with the CSM codex, using dinobots, obliterations etc. A super-heavy auxiliary detachment with Mortarion or Magnus in seems to do this automatically.

Is it correct that the daemon prince in the first example could access relics, warlord traits and so on for more than one codex? Does Mortarion now automatically come with a Locus of Virulence and access to the daemon stratagem that lets him deep strike - so long as you take him in a detachment by himself (or with 3 daemon princes in a supreme command detachment, I guess)?

Is this even a problem, beyond meaning that chaos players have to buy loads of books and remember a ton of stratagems?

I find the chaos books quite odd. The death guard has rules for all the nurgle daemons in, but they aren’t death guard (apart from the DP) so taking them stops you from using the death guard rules. We’re they just put in as filler? Meanwhile loads of daemon engines and daemonic marines aren’t in the daemon codex, but fit very happily in a daemon detachment.

Mandragola wrote:
Note that I’m not talking about having a mixed detachment. I’m talking about when every unit in a detachment meets the requirements to be from more than one faction.

For example, you might have a spearhead detachment comprising a nurgle daemon prince (from codex Death Guard) and three plagueburst crawlers. It would be both a death guard detachment and a chaos daemon (of Nurgle) detachment.

I think it’s possible to do the same with the CSM codex, using dinobots, obliterations etc. A super-heavy auxiliary detachment with Mortarion or Magnus in seems to do this automatically.

Is it correct that the daemon prince in the first example could access relics, warlord traits and so on for more than one codex? Does Mortarion now automatically come with a Locus of Virulence and access to the daemon stratagem that lets him deep strike - so long as you take him in a detachment by himself (or with 3 daemon princes in a supreme command detachment, I guess)?

Is this even a problem, beyond meaning that chaos players have to buy loads of books and remember a ton of stratagems?

I find the chaos books quite odd. The death guard has rules for all the nurgle daemons in, but they aren’t death guard (apart from the DP) so taking them stops you from using the death guard rules. We’re they just put in as filler? Meanwhile loads of daemon engines and daemonic marines aren’t in the daemon codex, but fit very happily in a daemon detachment.

It doesn't matter what keywords the detachment has, all that matters is you meet the requirements for a rule.

"any Detachment which only includes units with both the Chaos and DAEMON Faction keywords." is a Chaos Daemons detachment, regardless of what other type of detachment it might be.

Mortatian and Magnus dont have the DAEMON faction keyword.

There are only a handful of units which have faction keywords allowing them to be drawn from more than one codex (And even these are probably typos) and no characters that I know of, so warlord traits and relics should never be an issue.


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(OK one, Mamon I think can be death guard and daemon.
As a named character he couldn't get relics, but can draw from both tables of warlord traits.)

Ahh yes I see. My bad then. I didn’t spot that daemon was both a faction keyword and a normal keyword. It doesn’t look like this is going to come up in that case.

Mortarion can’t be both a death guard and a daemon detachment, as he isn’t from the daemon faction.

I think you can still use daemon stratagems on Mortarion though, if you had a separate daemon detachment. I wonder if we’ll see a FAQ to state that they mean only daemons from the daemon faction to access those stratagems.

And I still don’t know why all those daemons who aren’t death guard are in the death guard codex, but I guess it’s no biggie.

I imagine the Nurgle daemons were put in because Death Guard can summon them.

Do the Death Guard rules only apply if the entire army has the Death Guard keyword? if not, then simply take any Nurgle daemons you want to field in a separate detachment from your Death Guard units. Easy.

Faction rules are per detachment, not per army.


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So if you took Mamon as your warlord , you would have the choice of Death Guard or Chaos Daemon warlord traits, free relic and Tactical objectives? I think that's right.

Mandragola wrote:
Ahh yes I see. My bad then. I didn’t spot that daemon was both a faction keyword and a normal keyword. It doesn’t look like this is going to come up in that case.

Mortarion can’t be both a death guard and a daemon detachment, as he isn’t from the daemon faction.

I think you can still use daemon stratagems on Mortarion though, if you had a separate daemon detachment. I wonder if we’ll see a FAQ to state that they mean only daemons from the daemon faction to access those stratagems.

And I still don’t know why all those daemons who aren’t death guard are in the death guard codex, but I guess it’s no biggie.

Well he can be, they both have the 'Chaos' faction KW. It just means its a chaos detachment and will not unlock any strats or special rules.
But then of course you can have another detachment which is 'pure' daemons in the same army and that will unlock special rules for the chars in that detachment and all the strats

 Latro_ wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Ahh yes I see. My bad then. I didn’t spot that daemon was both a faction keyword and a normal keyword. It doesn’t look like this is going to come up in that case.

Mortarion can’t be both a death guard and a daemon detachment, as he isn’t from the daemon faction.

I think you can still use daemon stratagems on Mortarion though, if you had a separate daemon detachment. I wonder if we’ll see a FAQ to state that they mean only daemons from the daemon faction to access those stratagems.

And I still don’t know why all those daemons who aren’t death guard are in the death guard codex, but I guess it’s no biggie.

Well he can be, they both have the 'Chaos' faction KW. It just means its a chaos detachment and will not unlock any strats or special rules.
But then of course you can have another detachment which is 'pure' daemons in the same army and that will unlock special rules for the chars in that detachment and all the strats

He can be in a detachment with any other chaos models, yes, but it wouldn't count as a "Chaos Daemons" or "Death Guard" detachment. It would be a chaos detachment - legal, but with no stratagems etc.

As far as I can see, you can take a single feculant gnarlmaw on its own to unlock daemon stratagems, if you feel like it. It wouldn't do a lot else though.

Mandragola wrote:
As far as I can see, you can take a single feculant gnarlmaw on its own to unlock daemon stratagems, if you feel like it. It wouldn't do a lot else though.

True, or you can take a Patrol of 1HQ and 1 Troop to be extra sure (No TO is going to forbid Patrol Detachments, while some might forbid Fortifications altogether).