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Normally after a major tournament, we get a data-dump of who did what when. I looked in the Tournament Discussion forum and didn't see it, and I don't see it here, but Adepticon is over, yes? Who won? What happened? I enjoy reading this data, however useful it might be, and I'm curious what happened. More Dark Reaper spam? Chaos victory? Did Guard pull out a win?

The last day is the 25th. So it's not over yet.

Isn't it Thursday and Friday? I'm sure Adam Abramowicz was talking about how he wanted to qualify for Friday... so... I don't think it's done yet.

Could be wrong.

 Silentz wrote:
Isn't it Thursday and Friday? I'm sure Adam Abramowicz was talking about how he wanted to qualify for Friday... so... I don't think it's done yet.

Could be wrong.

Oh, I thought it was over already. I thought it was all week (monday-friday). That's what I get for not reading, I suppose

Today is 2nd day of the tournament so so won't know anything until this evening.

 Farseer_V2 wrote:
Today is 2nd day of the tournament so so won't know anything until this evening.

Thanks, I'll keep my ears out.

I saw that #1 currently is Nick Nanavanti with "Black Legion" chaos soup: CSM detachment with Abaddon and cultists, Thousand Sons with tzaangor and daemons, Death Guard with typhus and poxwalkers.

No Eldar I saw. Some Tyranid lists.

Wayniac wrote:
I saw that #1 currently is Nick Nanavanti with "Black Legion" chaos soup: CSM detachment with Abaddon and cultists, Thousand Sons with tzaangor and daemons, Death Guard with typhus and poxwalkers.

No Eldar I saw. Some Tyranid lists.

Link?

If you have the Best Coast Pairings app you can check it out.

According to BCP, Nanavati is running Chaos Soup

Black Legion Battalion
Abaddon Warlord
DP w/ wings, talons, slaanesh
38 cultists - auto guns, slaanesh
38 cultists - auto guns, slaanesh
37 cultists - CCW, pistol, Khorne

Thousand Sons Battalion
Ahriman
DP w/ Wings, talons
27 Tzaangors w/ Brayhorn
10 Cultists
10 Cultists

Death Guard Battalion
Typhus
DP w/ wings, talons
10 Pox walkers
10 Pox walkers
10 Pox walkers



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The top 10 is almost all 'Nids (both hive guard spam and flyrant spam), with a smattering of Blood angels, guard, and (oddly) Ravenwing.

quentra wrote:
According to BCP, Nanavati is running Chaos Soup

Black Legion Battalion
Abaddon Warlord
DP w/ wings, talons, slaanesh
38 cultists - auto guns, slaanesh
38 cultists - auto guns, slaanesh
37 cultists - CCW, pistol, Khorne

Thousand Sons Battalion
Ahriman
DP w/ Wings, talons
27 Tzaangors w/ Brayhorn
10 Cultists
10 Cultists

Death Guard Battalion
Typhus
DP w/ wings, talons
10 Pox walkers
10 Pox walkers
10 Pox walkers



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The top 10 is almost all 'Nids (both hive guard spam and flyrant spam), with a smattering of Blood angels, guard, and (oddly) Ravenwing.

What missions is adepticon running? Hive tyrant spam (which is what I assume some of those nids are running) would do extremely well in most ITC missions if played right.

I must say I get a kick out of any tournament result that is "wrong" compared to conventional internet wisdom. Some of these tournaments have weird circumstances that can radically shift the balance of power and what is "good", much like that tourney a guy won with 6 tac squads or the tourney where there were two Ork players in the top 10. Even seemingly minor tweaks have massive effects on tournament play at the top tables this edition, which I guess is a good sign. It at least points to things being better than the dark days of 7th edition.

Has there been no significant Astra Militarum presence in the tournament either then? Aren't they supposed to be top tier too? Haha

Top 16
1.) Nids-flyrant slam
2.) chaos soup
3.) Nids- flyrant slam
4.) deathguard/chaos soup
5.) Dark angels dark talon spam
6.) Nid guard soup
7.) Eldar - LVO list
8.)custodes imperial soup (guard assassins)
9.)Nids flyrant spam
10.)BA + guard DQ’d due to list error
11.)Nids - hiveguard spam
12.)chaos soup
13.)chaos soup -gnarlmaws
14.)guard+ BA + custodes
15.)guard+BA+ custodes
16.)ynnari + iyanden tanks

Stux wrote:
Has there been no significant Astra Militarum presence in the tournament either then? Aren't they supposed to be top tier too? Haha

I believe one of the top "Tyranid" lists was something like 5 Flyrants and AM allies.

Yeah sixth place was that.

Ah right, so there were plenty of Guardsmen, just no pure AM lists, which I suppose is exactly as to be expected!

Five of the sixteen lists had guard, yeah, but five of the sixteen lists also had Tyranids, and four had Chaos-- and the 'nids and chaos lists both outperformed the Guard lists.

 Melissia wrote:
Five of the sixteen lists had guard, yeah, but five of the sixteen lists also had Tyranids, and four had Chaos-- and the 'nids and chaos lists both outperformed the Guard lists.

Don't disrupt people's whining with trivial things like "facts" or "data", they will just hate you for it.

Matt Root with the Tyrant spam list won, at least the one BCP lists as the Adepticon 40k Championship. I’ve pulled the wrong championship to the one people have been talking about before, though.

Grey Nights 1
Space Marines 0
Deathguard 4
Blood Angels 3
Dark Angels 3* non souped
Craftworld Eldar 1
Tyrnids 5 4 non souped
Astra militarum 4
Choas Space Marines 2
Custodes 2
Adeptus Mechanicus 0
Thousand Sons 2
Choas Demons 2?

Ok so thats kinda depressing, vanilla marines and AdMec contributed 0, index'sand the tau and cron codex are too new, but looks like marines and admech don't have units cood enough to justify their use.

Also list the astra militaritum as 0 un-souped.

 Melissia wrote:
Also list the astra militaritum as 0 un-souped.

I specifically called out the 7 non souped lists I spotted.
Everything else is by definition soup, you need to relax and calm down with the paranoia.

One thing people should note is that the Saturday rounds are single elimination. That's how rankings are determined more than battle points.

 Melissia wrote:
Five of the sixteen lists had guard, yeah, but five of the sixteen lists also had Tyranids, and four had Chaos-- and the 'nids and chaos lists both outperformed the Guard lists.

And so none of those need addressing? What exactly is your point? I think flyrant s need the commander fix. All I think guard needs is buffing to no -soup armies to make them less attractive as soup. CSM need fixes to PBCs, the pod walker spawning strat, and maybe some tweaks to cultists(don’t let them use veterans of the long war, pay points for respawn like IG)


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Alain the only non-soup lists were Nids (I think). Everything else is soup. So pointing to guard being in every imperial soup shows that they have some issues relative to other imperium factions.

Not really. It just goes to show they're useful as cannon fodder for armies that don't actually have cannon fodder. Do you believe all armies should have a cannon fodder unit?

Yes and no, I don’t think all armies should have access to the same type or quality of cannon fodder unit. They also easily fill detachments for cheap for CP to use more powerful stratagems. I also wish screens were not quite as important for all armies.

lists look quite boring