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Hi,

Another stupid newbie's question: one of my colleagues started using non-wargear options, i.e. Venerable Dreadnoughts with two twin lascannons. His argument is that someone in our local GW shop told him it's a kind of customization, so he can add any amount of weapon as long as it's listed in the datasheet. Could you tell me if it's legal? As far as I know, it's possible to use only wargear options, i.e. in above example he can use only one twin LC and another weapon in second hand.

If he runs it as a Mortis Dreadnought from Index Imperial Armour: Forces of the Adeptus Astartes he can.

The regular Dreadnought Datasheets don’t allow such a combo. If you want to let as an exception, just him make him pay the 100-ish Points the guns cost then focus fire it to pieces on Turn One. ;-)

Ven dreads cannot have 2 twin lascannons.
Also, "someone in the store said..." isn't a valid argument. Ask him to show you where the rules allow that.

Thank you for confirmation. Yes, replacing V.D. with Mortis version or using LC + another weapon were my suggestions.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:
If he runs it as a Mortis Dreadnought from Index Imperial Armour: Forces of the Adeptus Astartes he can.

The regular Dreadnought Datasheets don’t allow such a combo. If you want to let as an exception, just him make him pay the 100-ish Points the guns cost then focus fire it to pieces on Turn One. ;-)

This is a problem. He's using 2 twin-LC as an ultimate anti-tank against my Leman Russes. Four LC shots on 2+ are pretty painful

CaptainLame wrote:
Thank you for confirmation. Yes, replacing V.D. with Mortis version or using LC + another weapon were my suggestions.


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 JohnnyHell wrote:
If he runs it as a Mortis Dreadnought from Index Imperial Armour: Forces of the Adeptus Astartes he can.

The regular Dreadnought Datasheets don’t allow such a combo. If you want to let as an exception, just him make him pay the 100-ish Points the guns cost then focus fire it to pieces on Turn One. ;-)

This is a problem. He's using 2 twin-LC as an ultimate anti-tank against my Leman Russes. Four LC shots on 2+ are pretty painful

I forgot the Ven Bs. Just run three Valhallan Russes and punish him severely for his all eggs one basket choice!

Thanks, JohnnyHell. At the moment he has 2 VD and it meant he can damage up to 4 LR tanks in 1st turn (or kill if rolled 12 for damage). It didn't look good when comparing point values for VD and LR. Obviously, it looks much better if I start the game and now when he has to use another wargear or unit

And honestly, I haven't considered playing Valhallan tanks instead of my Cadian. I will do it.

CaptainLame wrote:
Thanks, JohnnyHell. At the moment he has 2 VD and it meant he can damage up to 4 LR tanks in 1st turn (or kill if rolled 12 for damage). It didn't look good when comparing point values for VD and LR. Obviously, it looks much better if I start the game and now when he has to use another wargear or unit

And honestly, I haven't considered playing Valhallan tanks instead of my Cadian. I will do it.

Just a touch of math-assuming he has captain and lieutenant rerolls, his odds of killing a Leman Russ with two Lascannon shots are...

(35/36)*(35/36)*(7/9)*(7/9)*(5/6)*(5/6)*(1/6)*(1/6)=1,500,625/136,048,896=1.1% chance.

 JNAProductions wrote:

CaptainLame wrote:
Thanks, JohnnyHell. At the moment he has 2 VD and it meant he can damage up to 4 LR tanks in 1st turn (or kill if rolled 12 for damage). It didn't look good when comparing point values for VD and LR. Obviously, it looks much better if I start the game and now when he has to use another wargear or unit

And honestly, I haven't considered playing Valhallan tanks instead of my Cadian. I will do it.

Just a touch of math-assuming he has captain and lieutenant rerolls, his odds of killing a Leman Russ with two Lascannon shots are...

(35/36)*(35/36)*(7/9)*(7/9)*(5/6)*(5/6)*(1/6)*(1/6)=1,500,625/136,048,896=1.1% chance.

Thanks, I'm new in WH40K, so all my comments are based on my observations although sometimes they may be a bit exaggerated. The point is that VD with 4 LCs was able to damage my tanks seriously (with a small chance to kill them) and it was very strong when compared to its point value. This is why I asked about using non-wargear weapons. Really appreciate all your opinions and suggestions.

PS: Sorry for my English. It's not my first language.

CaptainLame wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

CaptainLame wrote:
Thanks, JohnnyHell. At the moment he has 2 VD and it meant he can damage up to 4 LR tanks in 1st turn (or kill if rolled 12 for damage). It didn't look good when comparing point values for VD and LR. Obviously, it looks much better if I start the game and now when he has to use another wargear or unit

And honestly, I haven't considered playing Valhallan tanks instead of my Cadian. I will do it.

Just a touch of math-assuming he has captain and lieutenant rerolls, his odds of killing a Leman Russ with two Lascannon shots are...

(35/36)*(35/36)*(7/9)*(7/9)*(5/6)*(5/6)*(1/6)*(1/6)=1,500,625/136,048,896=1.1% chance.

Thanks, I'm new in WH40K, so all my comments are based on my observations although sometimes they may be a bit exaggerated. The point is that VD with 4 LCs was able to damage my tanks seriously (with a small chance to kill them) and it was very strong when compared to its point value. This is why I asked about using non-wargear weapons. Really appreciate all your opinions and suggestions.

PS: Sorry for my English. It's not my first language.

Dude, your English is just fine. Moreover, you're being perfectly polite, which is more important than perfect grammar.

And yeah-the odds of it BRACKETING a Leman Russ are much, MUCH greater.

Yeah agreed. Try some Valhallan goodness and he has to drop you to almost dead to reduce your accuracy, then shred one of the Vens in your turn.