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Are battlements considered part of the hull for measureing LoS from a building

What? A battlemat is a flat surface you set up the game on, how can it have any effect on LoS when it's a flat surface?

If you are firing from a building I would use your models to determine LoS. Buildings aren't vehicles, you can't just shoot from any point within the building. Unless you're talking about fortifications? If your models are in the battlement of a building than you draw LoS from that point.

U02dah4 wrote:
Are battlements considered part of the hull for measureing LoS from a building

Decide pre-game. That's literally what the DC says to do.

Yes my question was about fortifications

Take a bastion or a bunker

You have a flat bulk of model then

You have about a 1" raised area around the top of the model which in 7th would have been battlements.

I also recognise that the RAW answer is discuss pregame however if im picking a list I would like to know generally how something performs

So I guess i'm looking for more of a RAI answer on whether people thinks that counts or not to try and get a consensus. Even if it is subject to the GW rules writting brilliance of agree with your opponent

If you asking if you can use the Battlements for LOS to see if a target is visible, then yes.

Part of the model, so in 8th yes absolutely.

I could not find any FaQ or Errata that allowed a player to place models on top of other models.

So, unless I missed it, you can not place models on top of a bastion or a bunker than you include in your list.

For a bastion or a bunker that is just terrain you use LoS. So if the battlement blocks LoS then it will block LoS.

I think the question is, can a unit inside use the 1"portion of the battlement wall as Los to shoot from the bastion, not whether a unit can be on top of it

Fragile wrote:
I think the question is, can a unit inside use the 1"portion of the battlement wall as Los to shoot from the bastion, not whether a unit can be on top of it

Yes or its own guns

Fragile wrote:
I think the question is, can a unit inside use the 1"portion of the battlement wall as Los to shoot from the bastion, not whether a unit can be on top of it

If this is truly the question, then the answer is Yes, the models embarked on a bastion can use any part of the bastion to draw LoS to enemy models. This includes the 1"portion of the battlement wall, as that is a part of the bastion model.

U02dah4 wrote:

Fragile wrote:
I think the question is, can a unit inside use the 1"portion of the battlement wall as Los to shoot from the bastion, not whether a unit can be on top of it

Yes or its own guns

LoS is from any part of the model to any part of the model.

You measure to/from the hull.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:

Fragile wrote:
I think the question is, can a unit inside use the 1"portion of the battlement wall as Los to shoot from the bastion, not whether a unit can be on top of it

Yes or its own guns

LoS is from any part of the model to any part of the model.

You measure to/from the hull.

This.

Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

U02dah4 wrote:
Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

There are very few situations where measuring from a point above ground level would be beneficial to your range.

U02dah4 wrote:
Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

Not really, the question was about LoS. LoS doesn't care about the hull, it's from any part of the model.

Hull only comes into play for measuring distances.

I'd say they are, largely because if they are not then what the heck are they?

I mean this is my Bastion...



the battlements are essentially the same as the rest of it, so yes I'd say they are very much part of the hull

Well decoration now that they dont do anything. (Well except the rule that says you can put models on them to remind them whats inside.)

They are also demarked by the 2nd gold rim so its clear on the model.

Nice painting by the way


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 Scott-S6 wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

Not really, the question was about LoS. LoS doesn't care about the hull, it's from any part of the model.

Hull only comes into play for measuring distances.

I wrote the question see the thread title its quite specific.

U02dah4 wrote:
Well decoration now that they dont do anything. (Well except the rule that says you can put models on them to remind them whats inside.)

They are also demarked by the 2nd gold rim so its clear on the model.

Nice painting by the way


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 Scott-S6 wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

Not really, the question was about LoS. LoS doesn't care about the hull, it's from any part of the model.

Hull only comes into play for measuring distances.

I wrote the question see the thread title its quite specific.

But your question is unspecific. You do not measure LOS. You measure Range and you check LOS. So are you asking about Range or LOS?

As far as the hull goes, what rule(s) does the Bastion have letting you measure to the hull vs base?

U02dah4 wrote:

I wrote the question see the thread title its quite specific.

You said - are they hull for LoS? LoS doesn't care about hull so your question was faulty.

Are they hull for measuring range? The only guidance we have for what's hull and what isn't is for tanks and planes.

I'd tend towards yes but YMMV.

Fragile wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Well decoration now that they dont do anything. (Well except the rule that says you can put models on them to remind them whats inside.)

They are also demarked by the 2nd gold rim so its clear on the model.

Nice painting by the way


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 Scott-S6 wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Which takes you back to the original question are battlements part of the hull

Not really, the question was about LoS. LoS doesn't care about the hull, it's from any part of the model.

Hull only comes into play for measuring distances.

I wrote the question see the thread title its quite specific.

But your question is unspecific. You do not measure LOS. You measure Range and you check LOS. So are you asking about Range or LOS?

As far as the hull goes, what rule(s) does the Bastion have letting you measure to the hull vs base?

Its a vehicle and it has no base