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2018/06/18 21:04:17
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hi. I'm new to the hobby and I bought a box of 5 wraithguards.
I'm thinking about making an Alaitoc scheme and army.
What should be my next buy so I can build a starting force of about 500 to 1000 points. The starting box?
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2018/06/18 21:12:43
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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The starting box is usually a good choice to begin with, however since you already have 5 WG and the Start Collecting box doesn't have Troops, I'd avoid it for now.
You need a Wave Serpent for your existing WG and some Troops + HQ. If you are doing Alaitoc, I'd go with Rangers.
They are currently made of Finecast, with is an inferior material, so I would honestly find alternative models. Google can help with your options.
As for HQ, Farseers are no-brainers and I personally prefer Skyrunner Farseers for any occasion.
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2018/06/18 21:12:52
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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You would be one of the few who actually have an Alaitoc paint scheme.
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2018/06/18 21:17:51
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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War Walker Pilot with Withering Fire
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You might also want to grab a Spiritseer. They combo well with wraithguard and would let you fill that HQ slot (or use as a stand-in farseer/warlock).
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2018/06/18 21:20:54
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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What weapon should I start with? (although I'm going to magnify the arms)
And wont I need 10 wraithguards. I'm only saying this because the box seams like good value.
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2018/06/19 03:23:07
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Dadupe wrote:What weapon should I start with? (although I'm going to magnify the arms)
And wont I need 10 wraithguards. I'm only saying this because the box seams like good value.
The box is excellent value, but you need a base force first. If you are grabbing models because its fun to paint them, buy whatever tickles your fancy that day. If you're going to play, though, you'll want to organize your models into detachments(in most metas). Your primary buys are actually going to be the rulebook and the codex. In the core rulebook there are all the detachments, and the codex has the rules to that army.
Enjoy magnetizing those WG, I found very strong 1mm x 2mm neodymium magnets to be helpful.
Welcome to Dakka. We here are all jerks, except Galef. Galef is an excellent resource, listen to everything he says.
Joking aside, you should probably take a look at your local gamestore and see about watching some games in your local meta. A real person standing in front of you is worth 10,000 anons on the internet.
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Badablack wrote:40k starts with the question, “Who is worse, Satan or the Nazis?” And goes from there. It’s a big colorful ball pit full of horrible people screaming and shooting each other.
PenitentJake wrote:It doesn't matter if you're not dominating the game; if you have 3-4 x as many models and options than the rest of us and you're still getting new kits, we're still gonna rip on the faction. If I had 100 + Drukhari kits all in plastic to choose from, or 100 + Sisters kits, I think I'd be more likely to be receptive to Space Marine player's complaints about anything.
chromedog wrote:From the Fuggly DEldar of the time, before they let Jes goodwin have his good and proper way with the entire faction design.
I don't want the best army, just one that isn't an exercise in picking up my models by turn 3.
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2018/06/19 07:09:39
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Those are all good points with a small problem. The store is in a small town in Portugal. All of us are starting and none of us understands almost anything. That is why we are all turning to the Internet for help.
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2018/06/19 10:07:20
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Welcome!
Personally:
1) HQ - Farseer skyrunner is awesome.
2) Troops - Rangers are great and guardians are quite alright.
3) Waveserpent
Should leave you with a solid core to your army with room to expand
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2018/06/19 14:11:37
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Hey, I bought the Eldar starter set a couple weeks ago and definitely don't feel like I want more than 5 Wraithguard. I don't use the Farseer, either, because it's on foot. The Wraithlord is okay and I've yet to use the War Walker (but I do want 2 more). I think you'll be fine without one, I kinda regret getting it because it has no troops and a lot of wraith.
If you guys are all new and starting out than I recommend ignoring the detachments and force organization. Give all of yourselves like 2 command points per 500 points (or 25 power leve) and just play. Once you all get 1,000+ points you can start worrying about detachments and such.
As for troops, I'm still waiting on my Rangers, but using Webway Strike on Guardians has been really successful for me! My Wave Serpent has been amazing combined with my 5 wraithguard inside.
You can't go wrong with the Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit, though.
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Blood for the Blood God!
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2018/06/19 14:23:33
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Kharneth wrote:
You can't go wrong with the Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit, though.
You means this: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Eldar-Farseer-Skyrunner-2017 and this: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Eldar-Warlock-Skyrunner-2017
Is there a kit with these two or do I have to buy them separate?
Thank you all for your replies
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2018/06/19 14:29:58
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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It's the same box. If you look at the sprues you'll see both the sword and the spear are available.
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2018/06/19 14:36:32
Subject: Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Eldar do well in casual games using a "one box" collection strategy. Like something? Get a box. Don't get two. This way, you have a variety of units to pick from, and each will have a slightly different role.
(Note: I said "box", not "unit". That really makes a difference on some of the stuff people hate to face.)
The only real exceptions to it are:
-You want more troops. Rangers, DAs, or Storm Guardians, you'll probably want more than 1 box of whichever you pick.
-Avoid Storm Guardians and WraithKnights. Everything else can work (but is not necessarily good).
Also, when getting advice on the forums, there's a world of difference between "Units that I would enjoy" and "Units that will win me games". 40k is much more balanced than the last two editions, but it's still not the most balanced game. So if your meta is getting into it for the beer 'n pretzels aspect, list building is very different than if you're getting into it to stomp people. Fortunately, CWE have been able to do both for most of the last 3 editions.
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2018/06/19 15:55:49
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Got it. But I can only assemble one of them. Don't I need the farseer and the warlock?
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2018/06/19 16:02:12
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Executing Exarch
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Dadupe wrote:Got it. But I can only assemble one of them. Don't I need the farseer and the warlock?
Not if you don’t want to? They don’t have to be used as a pair, although there are stratagems that help them out if they do.
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2018/06/19 16:40:59
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Quanar wrote:Dadupe wrote:Got it. But I can only assemble one of them. Don't I need the farseer and the warlock?
Not if you don’t want to? They don’t have to be used as a pair, although there are stratagems that help them out if they do.
My point then. I need to buy two of them enventually.
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2018/06/19 17:19:35
Subject: Re:Alaitoc Eldar?
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Dadupe wrote: Quanar wrote:Dadupe wrote:Got it. But I can only assemble one of them. Don't I need the farseer and the warlock?
Not if you don’t want to? They don’t have to be used as a pair, although there are stratagems that help them out if they do.
My point then. I need to buy two of them enventually.
The "one box" thing has a couple exceptions, namely characters and (probably) transports (and troops haha).
I started Eldar less than a month ago and have really enjoyed building and playing them, here's my experience.
I bought the starter kit and a wave serpent, so I had 5 Wraithguard, 1 Farseer, 1 Wraithlord, 1 War Walker. Then I bought 5 Dire Avengers and a box of Guardians. Then I got 2 Farseer/Warlock Skyrunners (I wanted one of each). My friends got me more guardians and a wraithlord for my birthday (I could've gone without another wraithlord for sure). Now, I just bought a Wave Serpent, Dark Reapers, and 2 boxes of Rangers.
Dire Avengers you could be fine never using, but I have 2 units of 5 and I don't think I'll ever need more.
1 unit of 2 boxes of Guardians has been my all-star in all 3 games I've used them.
The Farseer + Warlock Skyrunner are the first things in all of my lists (most people usually field at least 2 HQs).
The Wave Serpent is one of the few ways to make Wraithguard effective and it also makes lots of other units more effective, too, so having at least 1 is a no-brainer. I, personally, think they are awesome and bought a 2nd.
Like you, I'm playing Alaitoc, so I want Rangers just for the fluff reasons, but I only bought 2.
For the most part, everything else I plan to get will be just 1 box (possibly 2). The majority of what I've been purchasing has been HQs and Troops and I've been doubling up on a lot of the boxes because of this, the units you'll likely only need 1 box of are the elites, fast attack, and heavy support (and again, it's not a "rule" without exceptions!).
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