Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Blood for the Blood God!
Skulls for the Skull Throne!
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Yes since Power of pain it's an ability the units must come with, while obsessions apply just to units with the right KABAl, WYCH CULT, or COVEN keyword.
Also it's worth to notice that Black hearth kabal can grant the Inured to suffering bonus to units who normally lack the Power of pain ability.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/06/22 19:23:45
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Correct. The only codexes that don't have their tactic apply army wide are the Marine Codexes.
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Correct. The only codexes that don't have their tactic apply army wide are the Marine Codexes.
Certain regimental doctrines only apply to specific unit type.
This seems an appropriate place to add questions along the same lines of Obsession rules for Drukhari transports.
Can wyches from one detachment with Wych Cult Obsession, use the raiders or venom transport from another detachment, with a Kabal Obsession? Vice Cersa for Kabs, too? Not just hop in during the battle, but be deployed in one?
I am currently rereading all the relevant FAQs, so I may edit this post if I find something ....
"You can bring any cheesy unit you want. If you lose. Casey taught me that." -Tim S.
"I'm gonna follow Casey; he knows where the beer's at!" -Blackmoor, BAO 2013
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Correct. The only codexes that don't have their tactic apply army wide are the Marine Codexes.
Incubi, Mandrakes, and Scourges also don't get army tactics.
Just want some clarification on Drukhari vehicles. They do not have Power From Pain, but they do have Obsessions. Is this correct? My buddy's Wych Cult Raider/Venom have +1 attack due to their Obsession on the turn they charge or are charge?
Correct. The only codexes that don't have their tactic apply army wide are the Marine Codexes.
Incubi, Mandrakes, and Scourges also don't get army tactics.
And in a way, the DE traits are the MOST specific of any army, as traits only apply to about 1/3 of the options in the Codex. Wych traits only affect Wych units, Kabal traits for Kabal units, etc.
It would seem that Raiders and Venoms are the only units that can get any of the traits, and that is because you can turn then into Wych, Kabal or Coven units.
Brothererekose wrote: This seems an appropriate place to add questions along the same lines of Obsession rules for Drukhari transports.
Can wyches from one detachment with Wych Cult Obsession, use the raiders or venom transport from another detachment, with a Kabal Obsession? Vice Cersa for Kabs, too? Not just hop in during the battle, but be deployed in one?
I am currently rereading all the relevant FAQs, so I may edit this post if I find something ....
Yes they can since the TRansport rule of both of them just ask for *Drukhari infantry* when checking who can mount, and ignores the Cabal,Wych Cult and Coven keywords.
It also allow other infantry like mandrakes to mount in wich lack the obsessions.
Lord Perversor wrote: Yes they can since the TRansport rule of both of them just ask for *Drukhari infantry* when checking who can mount, and ignores the Cabal,Wych Cult and Coven keywords.
I agree. I came back to the basic data sheet and feel that it clarifies.
Two more?
1. Where can I find citation that Aeldari & Drukhari & Harlies be in the same matched play army? Different detachments, but on the same table? Which FAQ? Or RB or codex? I keep hearing that one can do it, but I'd like to be able to cite the source that allows it.
2. Warlord Trait "Stimm Adict" and rolling versus picking Combat Drugs. If I start with choosing for three units of wyches, giving them WS, T & A (ha! see what I did there?) does "Stimm Addict" kick in independently, thus my succubus could have S & A? Or is the succubus left to Leadership, S & Movement?
"You can bring any cheesy unit you want. If you lose. Casey taught me that." -Tim S.
"I'm gonna follow Casey; he knows where the beer's at!" -Blackmoor, BAO 2013
1. Page 214 of the big book. Under the army faction sub heading. That said, there are some beta rules in “the big faq” titled battle brothers that clarifies this.
2. You can either roll two dice or pick two. If you are picking you can’t pick ones you’ve already chosen until they’ve all been used.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/07/01 23:04:38
------------------
"Why me?" Gideon begged, falling to his knees.
"Why not?" - Asdrubael Vect
clively wrote: 1. Page 214 of the big book. Under the army faction sub heading. That said, there are some beta rules in “the big faq” titled battle brothers that clarifies this.
2. You can either roll two dice or pick two. If you are picking you can’t pick ones you’ve already chosen until they’ve all been used.
Both of these are correct.
In addition, the wording of the Combat Drug rule means you can pick or roll individually, you don't have to pick for all units or roll for all units. However the Warlord trait says you do have to roll both or pick both.
Further Furthermore, due to the wording of the Combat Drug rule, once you have picked all 6 drugs once, you can start picking the same drug multiple times. So if you happen to have 12 Combat Drug users, after the first 6 you can pick the same drug for the next 6 if you want.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/07/01 23:16:40
clively wrote: 1. Page 214 of the big book. Under the army faction sub heading. That said, there are some beta rules in “the big faq” titled battle brothers that clarifies this.
I'll look at that.
clively wrote: 2. You can either roll two dice or pick two. If you are picking you can’t pick ones you’ve already chosen until they’ve all been used.
This is what is already clearly stated in the rules, so it adds nothing to clarify what I'm asking. Can you help me address Combat Drugs for girls in general *and* when one includes the Stimm Addict trait? I wonder if the W.T.'s wording, specific to the Succubus, means it is not part of the regular CD chart.
a. Can I do one before the other (sure, neither set of rules, the trait nor the chart preclude one another)
b. once picking starts on Codex: DE page 87, does that mean the Warlord Trait (page 124) follows the path set ... or is it independent of the page 87 paragraph (one would tend to go with less advantageous ... and the page 124 entry *just* talks about that succubus.
Hmph, confusing
"You can bring any cheesy unit you want. If you lose. Casey taught me that." -Tim S.
"I'm gonna follow Casey; he knows where the beer's at!" -Blackmoor, BAO 2013
You can pick them in any order, so long as you don't pick the same one twice before all other drugs have been taken. It doesn't matter whether you pick the drugs for the Succubus "first" or not, because you assign them however you want.
BaconCatBug wrote: You can pick them in any order, so long as you don't pick the same one twice before all other drugs have been taken. It doesn't matter whether you pick the drugs for the Succubus "first" or not, because you assign them however you want.
One can argue that the Stimm Addict text is just talking about the succubus. And then the CD chart is another. Then again, common sense agrees with your call, BCBug.
Moving on:
From the BIG FAQ:
" ... so we have decided to trial this rule for matched play games. This means that you can still include appropriate allies, but now they might need to be included in a different Detachment ..." Is appropriate allies, the key phrase (not KEYWORD) that I'm looking for in having emo-elves, goth-sicky elves, and circus elves in my army, each its own detachment?
And:
"BATTLE BROTHERS
All of the units in each Detachment in your Battle-forged army must have at least one Faction keyword in common. In addition, this keyword cannot
be Chaos, Imperium, Aeldari, Ynnari or Tyranids, unless the Detachment in question is a Fortification Network. This has no effect on your
Army Faction."
Okay, so that means no Harlies in the same detachment as an archon, holding hands with a warlock. No problem. But nothing there says I can have a battalion of Aeldari and a vanguard of Harlies. Am I still missing it?
"You can bring any cheesy unit you want. If you lose. Casey taught me that." -Tim S.
"I'm gonna follow Casey; he knows where the beer's at!" -Blackmoor, BAO 2013
Brothererekose wrote: Okay, so that means no Harlies in the same detachment as an archon, holding hands with a warlock. No problem. But nothing there says I can have a battalion of Aeldari and a vanguard of Harlies. Am I still missing it?
It doesn't have to say you can, because you have the general permission to take detachments.
You can have a Harlequin Detachment and a Dark Eldar Detachment in the same Matched Play Army, because all models have the AELDARI keyword. What you can't do is use AELDARI to bind a single detachment together, so like you said, no Harlies and Archons in the same detachment. Page 214 BRB, Army Faction.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/07/02 00:08:24
