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The 40k rules are not a democracy. Polls have no purpose in a rules discussion forum.

I'd rather just turn 'YMDC' into 'Ask BCB'.

Or alternatively, just put together a petition to get GW to hire you as the official Codex proof reader.

Polls are a very useful tool in a rules discussion, because they let you judge how prevalent different interpretations of the rule in question might be. It's helpful to know in advance that there's a good chance the guy you wind up standing opposite might read that rule differently to you.


YMDC isn't just about finding the 'correct' answer.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The 40k rules are not a democracy. Polls have no purpose in a rules discussion forum.

Who decides the correct interpretation, the majority, so if 99% are playing it wrong, tough luck sadly.

 Formosa wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The 40k rules are not a democracy. Polls have no purpose in a rules discussion forum.

Who decides the correct interpretation, the majority, so if 99% are playing it wrong, tough luck sadly.

That is literally the opposite of true.

Sounds like you're just a bit angry that YMDC isn't run the way you want it.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Sounds like you're just a bit angry that YMDC isn't run the way you want it.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. /s Hypocritical much?

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Sounds like you're just a bit angry that YMDC isn't run the way you want it.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. /s Hypocritical much?

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

When it comes to one's personal interpretation of English, as seems to be the point in the "must you fire Overwatch" thread, yes it may he necessary.

Play nice people.

 Valkyrie wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Sounds like you're just a bit angry that YMDC isn't run the way you want it.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. /s Hypocritical much?

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

When it comes to one's personal interpretation of English, as seems to be the point in the "must you fire Overwatch" thread, yes it may he necessary.

Except that isn't a matter of interpretation, but rather misunderstanding of the English Language. People think that "can" is the same as "may", when it isn't.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Sounds like you're just a bit angry that YMDC isn't run the way you want it.

Wow, way to put words in my mouth. /s Hypocritical much?

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

That it how the world works. It doesn't matter what the rules say if everyone plays it a different way. It works the same way with laws, sports, school, work, and anything else. Read the rule for traveling in basketball and then watch an NBA game.

RAW can be ambiguous or just plain broken and in need of errata/FAQ. When that's the case I don't see why a poll can't be useful to help the community agree RAI.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

It absolutely is the way the world works, for those more interested in how the rule is read or played by others than in what it technically says.

There are, and always have been, rules in 40k that don't work properly due to poor wording. In those cases, while pointing out what the rule technically means can be useful as a reference, it's ultimately far more useful to see how others are actually playing it.

 insaniak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

I am "angry" that people think polls are a legitimate way to ask rules questions, because that's simply not how the world works.

It absolutely is the way the world works, for those more interested in how the rule is read or played by others than in what it technically says.

There are, and always have been, rules in 40k that don't work properly due to poor wording. In those cases, while pointing out what the rule technically means can be useful as a reference, it's ultimately far more useful to see how others are actually playing it.

So people can read the thread, instead of some easily manipulated poll.

People will often click on a poll where they wouldn't bother replying in the thread. It's also much easier to see at a glance, rather than having to work through multiple pages of rules argument and filter out however much of it is just noise from one or two posters.

Sure the poll results won't be completely accurate, but they're usually close enough to get the general lay of the land.

If you're not interested in the poll, just scroll past it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The 40k rules are not a democracy. Polls have no purpose in a rules discussion forum.

Who decides the correct interpretation, the majority, so if 99% are playing it wrong, tough luck sadly.

That is literally the opposite of true.

No it’s literally the way it works, if the majority play it one way and you want a game, you play it thier way, even if wrong, and this has happened in 40k rules several times, even with FAQ rulings outright ignored by the larger community, it’s annoying as hell but nowt we can do about it.

 Formosa wrote:
No it’s literally the way it works, if the majority play it one way and you want a game, you play it thier way, even if wrong, and this has happened in 40k rules several times, even with FAQ rulings outright ignored by the larger community, it’s annoying as hell but nowt we can do about it.

Not if the majority play it incorrectly. I play my games by the rules. A shocking and unorthodox stance, I know.

It's a game. The 'correct' way to play it is however people want to play it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
No it’s literally the way it works, if the majority play it one way and you want a game, you play it thier way, even if wrong, and this has happened in 40k rules several times, even with FAQ rulings outright ignored by the larger community, it’s annoying as hell but nowt we can do about it.

Not if the majority play it incorrectly. I play my games by the rules. A shocking and unorthodox stance, I know.

You play by your interpretation of the game rules, because to them, you are playing it incorrectly, you can try and slice this anyway you like but at the end of the day you must play how true majority sees a rule or not play at all, unless of course you have a small group of players that you have convinced to see it your way.

 insaniak wrote:
It's a game. The 'correct' way to play it is however people want to play it.

That isn't how rules work, like, at all.

That perception would be why you butt heads with so many people in YMDC.

Game rules are not some inviolable creed carved in stone and handed down from the almighty games developers atop the mount. So when the rules as written produce a result that is silly, or doesn't work, or just isn't fun, people will choose to ignore it. That's how games work.

You can choose to stick as close as possible to the rules as written, but that isn't inherently the 'correct' way to play... Just your way.

And, frankly, nigh on 20 years in this forum has taught me that people who claim to play 40k strictly by the rules as written are either lying or deluding themselves, because every single edition of 40k so far has had a fair share of rules that were ambiguous or flat out didn't function as written.

All of which is beside the point, which is that polls serve a useful function in YMDC, even if you don't personally agree with the usefulness of it, and as such, they're not going anywhere.

 insaniak wrote:
All of which is beside the point, which is that polls serve a useful function in YMDC, even if you don't personally agree with the usefulness of it, and as such, they're not going anywhere.

And I could easily just as say "All of which is beside the point, which is that polls serve a no function in YMDC, even if you don't personally agree with the uselessness of it, and as such, they're going away."

You're making an appeal to authority rather than facts.

No, I'm recapping the conclusion from earlier in the thread. I gave you the reasons for polls being allowed. Your insistence that the forum should only include RAW discussion doesn't change what the forum is actually intended for.

You made a suggestion, which is always welcome, but on this particular case it's not something that we feel is warranted, so will not be acted upon. Time to move on.