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Hello one and all, regarding Daemonic Ritual, if you are unable to summon a Daemonic unit by turn 3, do they get discarded like regular deep-striking/teleporting units? Additionally, units specified to be summoned with Daemonic Ritual, can they be removed from the summoning pool during the game and placed normally in your deployment zone? I realise the second point is a longshot but I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth trying to summon Skarbrand or not

Thanks for any and all help and such

You don't set aside units to be summoned. You set aside Reinforcement Points (i.e., points not spent during list building) to pay for any units you decide to summon. As long as you have the required Reinforcement Points and roll well enough on the dice you can summon any unit as long as it has the same keyword as the summoner.

Thank you, i was under the impression that you included Daemons that you wanted to summon using daemonic ritual in your army list, i didn't realise that if I stopped 200pts short of the limit that I could summon any random 200pts of daemons with the same keyword. So, if that 200pts of Bloodletters for example gets destroyed, can I then summon another 200pts worth of them? Or do they add into your army?

Currently they use up the reinforcement points as they're summoned; they don't refresh. However, if a Unique unit that can be summoned is destroyed, you can use the summoning rules to summon them back to the fight again! Mwa ha ha!


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Assuming you have the leftover reinforcement points to spend again...

Thank you that's devious, I imagine that's gonna cause some upset, thanks for your help!

MPortchy wrote:
Thank you that's devious, I imagine that's gonna cause some upset, thanks for your help!

Before you cackle too much, you should realise summoning has some severe limitations. Primarily that you need to roll to summon, and that the character doing the summoning can't move.

You might not roll enough to summon what you want, and you might not be able to put it where you want.

Generally speaking you'd be much better off just taking a detachment of Daemons normally instead, and using their stratagem to warp them in. Sure it costs command points, but your Daemon detachment may well be earning those back anyway!

The only real advantage to summoning is the flexibility to summon different Daemon units as your needs mid battle dictate, but it's sorely outclassed by the consistency of just putting Daemons in your army.

That's something I've sorely overlooked since I started using daemons; I haven't been using their stratagems. Thanks again

If the Character could move first, but just sacrifice shooting and/or psychic phase, it would be an Ok tactic to summon due to the flexibility of unit choice.
Alternatively, if the Character cannot move first, Summoning should be treated similarly disembarking from a vehicle: Place the summoned unit within 3" of the Character, outside 9" of enemies, but then the unit can move as normal.

But sadly it is just super lame atm and far too limiting. You're better of just taking the daemons you want in a detachment.

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That would definitely be a much better way of doing it, it's unfortunate that that's not the case. Thanks for your time and help

If you wanted to summon scarbrand i would suggest a word bears hq use the word bearers special stratagem.
You should also include a deamon detachment so you can roll 4 dice. With its stratagem. And on 4 dice with re rolls you might get what you need!