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“The spear. My duty.I mustered my strength one last time on the immense weight out there in the void. First I raked back the concealing shroud of Aetheria hiding the spear from sight. The enemy fleet immediately turned their guns upon it.‘Faster, Khayon. Faster.’‘You. Are not. Helping.’‘Launch the spear!’I wrapped it with a strangling grip, feeling every cold contour with the touch of my mind. And then, with every iota of concentration I possessed,I hurled the spear at the world called Harmony.“The Canticle City was prepared to repel assaults, with its skyline of armoured bastions aiming defence turrets and flak cannons towards the heavens. But while fighting back an invasion is one thing, resisting a cataclysm is another. Even in my weakened state I could not resist watching the spear fall, seeing it through the thoughts of the doomed souls on the surface.Daylight died above the Canticle City. Through the wide, upturned eyes of worker menials, pleasure slaves, and III Legion warriors, I saw the gun-battlements light up in helpless rage as a shadow grew in place of the sun. The shrieking hymns broadcast from vox-towers were drowned out by the metal-hammering of defence batteries lighting up the darkening sky. The black shape that swallowed the sun burned as it fell, first aflame with atmospheric entry, then on fire from the rage of the Canticle City’s guns.A crack of thunder split the sky as the falling spear broke the sound barrier. It was no longer falling straight – it rolled as it plummeted, its hull streaming black smoke and its spinal battlements screaming with fire.Less than a minute passed from the moment it entered Harmony’satmosphere to the second it struck the ground. Long enough to let the population see death falling towards them. Not long enough to do anything about it.It smashed into the earth with the force of the War God’s axe. Every eye I had been looking through suddenly went blind. Every sense I had been sharing went dark and cold. From orbit, all we could see was the spreading blackness of choking smoke blooming over the city. Our sensors recorded tectonic unrest grave enough to send tremors rippling across the other side of the world. Harmony itself was heaving with torment.”

-Talon of Horus.


https://www.amazon.com/Talon-Horus-Black-Legion/dp/1784960497








High above the Fang, the masterfully built spacecraft of the Grey Knights Chapter remote-scryed the location of the Daemon Primarch, calibrated their weapons batteries, and fired. Searing ruby-red beams shot from the heavens, all four converging upon the same point as the gunners of the Grey Knights fleet brought their deadliest weapons to bear. By rights they should have reduced Magnus to a steaming crater. In truth, they did little more than drive him to his knees; a hemisphere of invisible force protected him from physical attack, no matter how powerful. The Daemon Primarch rose, laughing cruelly at the impotence of the Imperial order founded to slay his kind.

The rune-casting psykers of Logan’s Great Company, gathered under Njal Stormcaller, did not despair. They sent bolts of psychic lightning, ghostly tempests, and blizzards of razored ice-knives that flayed to the bone the Tzaangors cavorting around their master’s feet. Yet none of their runic witchery even touched the Crimson King. If anything, Magnus seemed larger and more powerful than before the first salvo had been fired. The Crimson King’s laughter grew louder. Though he now hovered, wings beating slowly, above the Wolf’s Gullet, his voice sounded as if he were mere inches from the ear of all who witnessed him. Those who looked upon him directly did so with needles of pain stabbing their minds, for he glowed almost too bright to bear.

With Njal leading their chants, the most powerful of Fenris’ Rune Priests joined their might once more. Slowly, the vast chasm of the Gullet closed upon Magnus, its rocky edges like the jagged teeth of the World Wolf itself. Lava geysered and boiled as the chasm bit with the force of grinding tectonic plates. For a moment, the Daemon Primarch disappeared from sight. At the last, Magnus threw out his arms and held the rocky jaws wide with only his vast telekinetic power, the jagged teeth of the cliffs snapping to tumble into the fires below.

Grand Master Valdar Aurikon stretched out his hands, psychic lightning leaping towards Magnus in a great crackling helix. Magnus caught the attack on his staff and hurled it back, the bolt transforming the Grey Knight into scattering nuggets of fool’s gold.

Another focussed lance strike shot down from the heavens. This one Magnus did not dissipate upon his protective dome of force, but instead caught with the curve of his blade before hurling it outwards into the rumbling line of battle tanks that was cresting the ridge. The redirected energies hit home with cataclysmic force, smashing the entire column of war engines to smoking ruin. Then Magnus reached upwards, the eye in his palm blinking once as it focussed on the spacecraft high above. Uttering a low chant, the Crimson King extended his telekinetic mastery until it soared into the stratosphere and beyond. Space Wolf, Dark Angel and Grey Knight alike stood aghast as the sky was lit with expanding coronas of fire. Those Space Marines who auto-viewed the blazing phenomena witnessed Battle Barges and Strike Cruisers crashing into one another as if flung by some godly hand, their reactors overloading a moment later to throw all of Asaheim into stark monochromatic light.

Fenris had a new monarch, and he was mighty indeed.





https://www.amazon.com/Warhammer-40-000-Fenris-Magnus/dp/1785813013




This is impressive what Khayon and Magnus did. Throwing a starship at a planet so hard it caused tectonic unrest all over for Khayon, and Magnus destroying a fleet.



And this from page 108 in A Thousand Sons where Magnus stops time.



“Be silent!” thundered Magnus, and the world stilled. All sound died as the wind ceased its moaning and salt crystals hung motionless on the hardpan. “You are nothing to me, Amlodhi Skarssen Skarssensson. I can kill you where you stand, before you or any of your savage brethren could lift a hand to stop me. I can smash your ships to debris with a thought. Know this and choose your next words carefully.”Ahriman saw that Skarssen was not a warrior without courage, his aura instinctively rebelling at the challenge in Magnus’ words, but nor was he without the wit to understand that he was a mote in the face of the primarch’s power. He looked to his left and right, seeing the world frozen around him, every banner hanging motionless and every observer save the Thousand Sons like statues lining a triumphal roadway."

Yes...that's definitely a thing that happened.

Slipspace wrote:
Yes...that's definitely a thing that happened.

Yes it is.

The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

Onething123456 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

No, I don't think you get it. He's saying you're giving self-evident statements as thread topics without a real question or discussion point for others to build off on. What are we supposed to say to this? I agree? Then what's the point of the thread?

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

No, I don't think you get it. He's saying you're giving self-evident statements as thread topics without a real question or discussion point for others to build off on. What are we supposed to say to this? I agree? Then what's the point of the thread?

Partially.

And giving your thoughts, since some of them are recent feats. But I hope I have not done anything wrong.

Onething123456 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

No, I don't think you get it. He's saying you're giving self-evident statements as thread topics without a real question or discussion point for others to build off on. What are we supposed to say to this? I agree? Then what's the point of the thread?

Partially.

And giving your thoughts, since some of them are recent feats. But I hope I have not done anything wrong.

There's not much to add though, especially since you don't provide much of a discussion point besides saying "this happened". If you want more active participation in your threads, you need to do more than just quote-dump events on people. Otherwise this kind of stuff would be better off posted on a blog tbh.

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

No, I don't think you get it. He's saying you're giving self-evident statements as thread topics without a real question or discussion point for others to build off on. What are we supposed to say to this? I agree? Then what's the point of the thread?

Partially.

And giving your thoughts, since some of them are recent feats. But I hope I have not done anything wrong.

There's not much to add though, especially since you don't provide much of a discussion point besides saying "this happened". If you want more active participation in your threads, you need to do more than just quote-dump events on people. Otherwise this kind of stuff would be better off posted on a blog tbh.

Yeah. I'm still getting used to this.

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The point I believe he's trying to make is that there is generally supposed to be a point to be discussed.

And that is why I posted this.

No, I don't think you get it. He's saying you're giving self-evident statements as thread topics without a real question or discussion point for others to build off on. What are we supposed to say to this? I agree? Then what's the point of the thread?

That's his standard style here. Post up long quotes from books and leaves others wondering what was the point of it.

No, I think I get it. It's part of that whole argument about the Emperor making a legion kneel with psychic powers alone, right?

If Magnus and Khayon can do these things, then the Emperor doing that thing seems much less remarkable, and therefore there's no need to invoke headcanon explanations like "slave coding" or whatever?

Is that the point you're aiming at, Onething?

I think Khayon is more important here. Khayon, Ahriman, etc, are 'mortal' (for a given value of mortal) and hence represent what a suitably gifted high level psyker plus sorcerous technique can do.

Atharva puppeteering the khngba marwu guards from inside a psi-sealed null cell is another case in point.

The point is, as noted, that if a 'normal' exceptional psyker can do this, then whilst the emperor is clealy exceptional, he need not be that exceptional.

An alpha-plus psyker in Eisenhorn essentially zombifying a hive district is another case in point.

 Duskweaver wrote:
No, I think I get it. It's part of that whole argument about the Emperor making a legion kneel with psychic powers alone, right?

If Magnus and Khayon can do these things, then the Emperor doing that thing seems much less remarkable, and therefore there's no need to invoke headcanon explanations like "slave coding" or whatever?

Is that the point you're aiming at, Onething?

Not here, but in the other thread.


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locarno24 wrote:
I think Khayon is more important here. Khayon, Ahriman, etc, are 'mortal' (for a given value of mortal) and hence represent what a suitably gifted high level psyker plus sorcerous technique can do.

Atharva puppeteering the khngba marwu guards from inside a psi-sealed null cell is another case in point.

The point is, as noted, that if a 'normal' exceptional psyker can do this, then whilst the emperor is clealy exceptional, he need not be that exceptional.

An alpha-plus psyker in Eisenhorn essentially zombifying a hive district is another case in point.

Alpha-plus? Most alpha-plus psykers are mentally unstable.


And the Cacodominus was much stronger than that.


5th Edition core rulebook said:
401.M34
"Black Templar Space Marines end the Catelexis Heresy by executing the Cacodominus, an alien cyborg whose formidable psychic presence allowed it to control the populace of thirteen hundred planetary systems. Alas, the Cacodominus' death scream echoes and amplifies through the Warp, burning out the minds of a billion astropaths and distorting the signal of the Astronomican. Millions upon Millions of ships are lost in the resulting upheaval and entire sub-sectors slide into barbarism without the dictats of the Adeptus Terra to guide them."

Magnus was stated multiple times (from multiple sources) in the lore to be as strong as, or possibly even stronger than the emperor psychically. They never fought though, so we don't know for certain if their powers were equal or if either one was slightly stronger.

The emperor was certainly one of the most powerful psychic entities in existence at the time of the great crusade. I remember reading somewhere about an Eldar harlequin who infiltrated the Imperial Palace and compared the Emperor's psychic presence akin to floating in space next to a sun. The harlequin in question thought to himself that he understood why humanity worshiped the emperor as a god and was pants-pissingly terrified that such a powerful entity could even exist, let alone walk around and talk inside a 'mortal' frame.

Onething123456 wrote:


Alpha-plus? Most alpha-plus psykers are mentally unstable.


And the Cacodominus was much stronger than that.

Absolutely. But we don't know exactly what the cacodominus was - what race's tech, what race it was, whether the cyborg tech in question involved C&C Yuri-style psychic repeaters in each city or for that matter a psy-active override chip plugged into the skull of all its minions after the fashion of a 40k-ified Borg Queen.

By comparison, an alpha-level psyker is 'just' a product of human DNA.
Yes, most alpha-level and almost all alpha-plus level psykers are pants-on-head insane, but the Emperor's superpower being "being that strong and not being utterly insane* as well" means he only has to be a few times stronger than the 'normal' human maximum to achieve the sort of stuff he did, not orders of magnitude more powerful.

w1zard wrote:
I remember reading somewhere about an Eldar harlequin who infiltrated the Imperial Palace and compared the Emperor's psychic presence akin to floating in space next to a sun. The harlequin in question thought to himself that he understood why humanity worshiped the emperor as a god and was pants-pissingly terrified that such a powerful entity could even exist, let alone walk around and talk inside a 'mortal' frame.

The Beast Arises series, I think.

* depending on your definition of insanity.....

locarno24 wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:


Alpha-plus? Most alpha-plus psykers are mentally unstable.


And the Cacodominus was much stronger than that.

Absolutely. But we don't know exactly what the cacodominus was - what race's tech, what race it was, whether the cyborg tech in question involved C&C Yuri-style psychic repeaters in each city or for that matter a psy-active override chip plugged into the skull of all its minions after the fashion of a 40k-ified Borg Queen.

By comparison, an alpha-level psyker is 'just' a product of human DNA.
Yes, most alpha-level and almost all alpha-plus level psykers are pants-on-head insane, but the Emperor's superpower being "being that strong and not being utterly insane* as well" means he only has to be a few times stronger than the 'normal' human maximum to achieve the sort of stuff he did, not orders of magnitude more powerful.

w1zard wrote:
I remember reading somewhere about an Eldar harlequin who infiltrated the Imperial Palace and compared the Emperor's psychic presence akin to floating in space next to a sun. The harlequin in question thought to himself that he understood why humanity worshiped the emperor as a god and was pants-pissingly terrified that such a powerful entity could even exist, let alone walk around and talk inside a 'mortal' frame.

The Beast Arises series, I think.

* depending on your definition of insanity.....

There were no nothing wrong involved with the Cacodominus, since its death scream went through the warp, burned the minds of a billion Astropaths, distorted the signal of the Astronomican, and so on.

Onething123456 wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:


Alpha-plus? Most alpha-plus psykers are mentally unstable.


And the Cacodominus was much stronger than that.

Absolutely. But we don't know exactly what the cacodominus was - what race's tech, what race it was, whether the cyborg tech in question involved C&C Yuri-style psychic repeaters in each city or for that matter a psy-active override chip plugged into the skull of all its minions after the fashion of a 40k-ified Borg Queen.

By comparison, an alpha-level psyker is 'just' a product of human DNA.
Yes, most alpha-level and almost all alpha-plus level psykers are pants-on-head insane, but the Emperor's superpower being "being that strong and not being utterly insane* as well" means he only has to be a few times stronger than the 'normal' human maximum to achieve the sort of stuff he did, not orders of magnitude more powerful.

w1zard wrote:
I remember reading somewhere about an Eldar harlequin who infiltrated the Imperial Palace and compared the Emperor's psychic presence akin to floating in space next to a sun. The harlequin in question thought to himself that he understood why humanity worshiped the emperor as a god and was pants-pissingly terrified that such a powerful entity could even exist, let alone walk around and talk inside a 'mortal' frame.

The Beast Arises series, I think.

* depending on your definition of insanity.....

There were no nothing wrong involved with the Cacodominus, since its death scream went through the warp, burned the minds of a billion Astropaths, distorted the signal of the Astronomican, and so on.

except you talk about it sending a massive signal through the warp, and then in the same sentence mention the Astronomican which basicly does just that, technology allowing for an extension of psykic power is a well known thing

BrianDavion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

locarno24 wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:


Alpha-plus? Most alpha-plus psykers are mentally unstable.


And the Cacodominus was much stronger than that.

Absolutely. But we don't know exactly what the cacodominus was - what race's tech, what race it was, whether the cyborg tech in question involved C&C Yuri-style psychic repeaters in each city or for that matter a psy-active override chip plugged into the skull of all its minions after the fashion of a 40k-ified Borg Queen.

By comparison, an alpha-level psyker is 'just' a product of human DNA.
Yes, most alpha-level and almost all alpha-plus level psykers are pants-on-head insane, but the Emperor's superpower being "being that strong and not being utterly insane* as well" means he only has to be a few times stronger than the 'normal' human maximum to achieve the sort of stuff he did, not orders of magnitude more powerful.

w1zard wrote:
I remember reading somewhere about an Eldar harlequin who infiltrated the Imperial Palace and compared the Emperor's psychic presence akin to floating in space next to a sun. The harlequin in question thought to himself that he understood why humanity worshiped the emperor as a god and was pants-pissingly terrified that such a powerful entity could even exist, let alone walk around and talk inside a 'mortal' frame.

The Beast Arises series, I think.

* depending on your definition of insanity.....

There were no nothing wrong involved with the Cacodominus, since its death scream went through the warp, burned the minds of a billion Astropaths, distorted the signal of the Astronomican, and so on.

except you talk about it sending a massive signal through the warp, and then in the same sentence mention the Astronomican which basicly does just that, technology allowing for an extension of psykic power is a well known thing

Its not possible the Cacodominus was amplified by technology. And moreover, if it was, then its death death scream WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT POWERFUL. READING COMPREHENSION. IT SAYS THE ITS DEATH SCREAM DISTORTED THE SIGNAL OF THE ATSRONOMICAN. And the quote outright says its own "formidable psychic power" did that.


NO WHERE DOES IT SAY IT WAS THE ATSRONOMICAN. IT SAYS IT WAS THE CACODOMINUS DYING THAT DID THAT.


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 Duskweaver wrote:
No, I think I get it. It's part of that whole argument about the Emperor making a legion kneel with psychic powers alone, right?

If Magnus and Khayon can do these things, then the Emperor doing that thing seems much less remarkable, and therefore there's no need to invoke headcanon explanations like "slave coding" or whatever?

Is that the point you're aiming at, Onething?

And DarknessEternal talked about slave coding as a fact. He was lying about it. No such thing.

Onething123456 wrote:

There were no nothing wrong involved with the Cacodominus, since its death scream went through the warp, burned the minds of a billion Astropaths, distorted the signal of the Astronomican, and so on.

Yes, clearly it was an incredibly potent psyker - I'm not arguing with that. And it existed and did what the paragraph said
All I'm saying is:

(a) We know it was 'alien'- not a baseline human
(b) We know it was a 'cyborg' - we don't know if the cybernetic tech was increasing its already 'formidable' potential as a psyker or not, but that possibility has to exist because psy-amplifying tech does.
(Yes, a death scream would have to originate with the fleshy bits but there is no reason, if it's plugged into an alien psychic amplifier allowing it to use a 1300-star-system-wide version of the telepathy power Dominate, that a death scream wouldn't be amplified too)

And therefore whilst it's a nice bit of background I'm not sure it's a useful example to measure what a human psyker is capable of.

locarno24 wrote:
And therefore whilst it's a nice bit of background I'm not sure it's a useful example to measure what a human psyker is capable of.

Both the emperor and Magnus weren't exactly human either...

The Cacodominus' death scream burned the minds of a billion Astropaths and distortred the Astronomican. It was not amplified. And it said its "formidable psychic presence".

Onething123456 wrote:


There were no nothing wrong involved with the Cacodominus, since its death scream went through the warp, burned the minds of a billion Astropaths, distorted the signal of the Astronomican, and so on.

I have no idea what's actually being discussed any more, mainly because I can't actually decipher what this sentence means.

Assuming we're discussing whether the Cacodominus could have had its psychic potential technologically amplified, that seems like a reasonable assumption. At the very least, we can't say it didn't - the info we have on it is literally a couple of paragraphs from the BT Codex so we're pretty much in pure speculation territory. Given that it was a cyborg and technology has been shown to exist that enhances psychic power, some sort of psychic amplification isn't outside the realms of possibility.

Why the hell would it have been technologically amplified? If it was, its death scream WOULD NOT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE WARP, BURNED THE MINDS OF A BILLION ASTROPATHS AND DISTORTED THE SIGNAL OF THE ASTROMONICAN. Technological amplification does not work that way. And the quote said it was its "formidable psychic presence" that did that.


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I'm fairly certain its from the rulebook. Let me put it this way. Technological amplification would not have had the Cacodominus cause The Howling, because that technological amplification would not goddamned follow its death scream into the warp.

Why not?

If the tech is amplifying its psychic strength, at least partly responsible for allowing it to dominate 1300 systems psychicly, then if it was killed, why would a 'psychic microphone' not also magnify and transmit it's death scream? Don't get me wrong - it would have to be a powerful psyker to begin with, but that's not the same as saying it's not possible for it's psychic power to be artificially amplified.

Regardless, whilst an impressive psychic feat it's not a human baseline one, because we know nothing about the species involved, or exactly how it was controlling that region of space.

Both the emperor and Magnus weren't exactly human either...

Completely agree. But Khayon, Ahriman, and Atharva (loosely) are. Meaning that if we know they could do something, then it is within (loosely) human achievement, so =][=, Magnus, Malcador et al achieving it is still terrifying but not so impossible.

Why? Get it through your head goddamnit. I have already answered that. The moment the Cacodominus dies, technological amplifications would dissapear and have no goddamned effect on its death scream through the warp. Its technological amplification. Its going to dissapear because its technological amplification. Once the Cacodominus died, those "technological amplifications" would stop working wouldn't it? Its just technology. It would cease to work after the Cacodominus dies. And "psychic microphone"? What the hell are you talking about? It would just be technology. And the Cacodominus' death scream was purely its own soul, nothing to do with technology. It would not be a "psychic microphone". It would just amplifify its psychic power and it would cause to stop after dying. You do realize a "psychic microphone" does not make sense if its purely amplifying his psychic power? And then it would cease to work because all it would do is technologically amplify psychic power? What the hell? If its technology then it probably would not work after the Cacodominus dies because its just technology that cannot do what it does after it dies. Do you have proof it was a "psychic microphone"? Illogical. If it had used technology, its death scream would not have done that. Why the hell would technological amplification continue to work after he died? I am right. You are wrong. Its impossible the Cacodominus was technologically amplified mostly because of the Howling. One book I saw where a psyker was amplified by technology, it ceased after he died.

And this is exactly the kind of stuff that drives me away from Black Library publications. Huge mary sue psychic powers capable of immense destruction at no cost to wielder and impenetrable psychic defenses.

Crappy writing, crappy lore. Magnus might not have done anything wrong. Magnus is the wrong doing.

And the Howling disproves any technological amplification.

Onething123456 wrote:
Why? Get it through your head goddamnit. I have already answered that. The moment the Cacodominus dies, technological amplifications would dissapear and have no goddamned effect on its death scream through the warp. Its technological amplification. Its going to dissapear because its technological amplification. Once the Cacodominus died, those "technological amplifications" would stop working wouldn't it? Its just technology. It would cease to work after the Cacodominus dies. And "psychic microphone"? What the hell are you talking about? It would just be technology. And the Cacodominus' death scream was purely its own soul, nothing to do with technology. It would not be a "psychic microphone". It would just amplifify its psychic power and it would cause to stop after dying. You do realize a "psychic microphone" does not make sense if its purely amplifying his psychic power? And then it would cease to work because all it would do is technologically amplify psychic power? What the hell? If its technology then it probably would not work after the Cacodominus dies because its just technology that cannot do what it does after it dies. Do you have proof it was a "psychic microphone"? Illogical. If it had used technology, its death scream would not have done that. Why the hell would technological amplification continue to work after he died? I am right. You are wrong. Its impossible the Cacodominus was technologically amplified mostly because of the Howling. One book I saw where a psyker was amplified by technology, it ceased after he died.

just because it stops with the death of the psyker in one case doesn't mean gak for other cases. no we do not have proof that it was advanced technologicly, but we don't have proof it wasn't, and given the ONLY two things we know about it are "powerful psyker, and cyborg" there's no proof those two things are linked, but the theory is certainly a sound one, especially if you apply Chekov's gun to it.

OK, WTF is this? We're dealing with a fictional ability, a fictional alien race, using fictional technology. You can't say anything with any certainty about what the technology could or couldn't do. All this stuff about how the technology would stop working once the Cacodominus died is purely speculation. You can't know that for sure. You're making a whole bunch of absolute statements with no basis in any of the lore to back it up.

Onething123456 wrote:
Why? Get it through your head goddamnit. I have already answered that. The moment the Cacodominus dies, technological amplifications would dissapear and have no goddamned effect on its death scream through the warp. Its technological amplification. Its going to dissapear because its technological amplification. Once the Cacodominus died, those "technological amplifications" would stop working wouldn't it? Its just technology. It would cease to work after the Cacodominus dies. And "psychic microphone"? What the hell are you talking about? It would just be technology. And the Cacodominus' death scream was purely its own soul, nothing to do with technology. It would not be a "psychic microphone". It would just amplifify its psychic power and it would cause to stop after dying. You do realize a "psychic microphone" does not make sense if its purely amplifying his psychic power? And then it would cease to work because all it would do is technologically amplify psychic power? What the hell? If its technology then it probably would not work after the Cacodominus dies because its just technology that cannot do what it does after it dies. Do you have proof it was a "psychic microphone"? Illogical. If it had used technology, its death scream would not have done that. Why the hell would technological amplification continue to work after he died? I am right. You are wrong. Its impossible the Cacodominus was technologically amplified mostly because of the Howling. One book I saw where a psyker was amplified by technology, it ceased after he died.

I'm confused why you're so vehement about the Cacodominus' Howling event not having technological amplification when by definition, as a cyborg, it was heavily implied that his cybernetics probably had a role as to why it was so devastating. Plus, considering it's a tiny fluff blurb, you really can't have any definitive argument against it. What's with the whole "I am right. You are wrong." angle? When I said you have to start a discussion, I didn't mean going coff the deep end and making arbitrary statements while calling out people for being wrong while not having anything yourself to back it up.