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Hey Guys

Writing a small Renegades and Heretics list with Daemon support for the local club, 450pts.

Let me know what you think? I wanted to utilise the smaller board size and play something very different to how I normally go to war. my marines are kinda static for the most part...


Renegades and Heretics -Vanguard-

HQ
Renegade Commander w. Power Sword and Shotgun.

ELITES
Renegade Marauder Squad (5) -Stalkers
Chainsword & laspistol
2x Lasguns
Autopistol & Brutal Assault Weapon
Plasmagun

Renegade Marauder Squad (5) -Stalkers
Chainsword & laspistol
2x Lasguns
Autopistol & Brutal Assault Weapon
Plasmagun

Renegade Marauder Squad (5) -Stalkers
Chainsword & laspistol
2x Lasguns
Autopistol & Brutal Assault Weapon
Meltagun

Daemons -Outrider

HQ
Karanak

FAST ATTACK
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds
5x Flesh Hounds

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450pts on the nose... whatcha think internet?

Cheers in advance for any insights
GamerGuy

I would give the Marauder chiefs lasguns.

I would make karnak the Warlord here.

Get rid of the power sword for the commander, and give the Marauder chiefs boltguns.

Hey, Not Online!!! -Ironically, you are?

Which do you reccomend then; I find myself confused? should my chiefs have boltguns or lasguns? I'll definitely put lasguns in; but unsure about boltguns as they'll be super difficult to model onto my existing sculpts; blackstone fortress traitor guard, due to how the model is positioned by default.


Kinda like the power sword; it's an emergency self-defence, which is important if I elect to make him warlord instead... my thinking is that Karanak and the Hounds will move as a fast wave to cover my stalkers; and i'm anticipating heavy resistance... don't really want to give up warlord kill without a fight?


Thank you for taking the time mate, appreciate all comments and feedback

GamerGuy

AH,well the Powersword is an nono choice for all commanders except Khorne due to khorne covenant giving that critical S4.
I would instead reccomend you, since you can't really make the commander warlord for only 1 model gaining the covenant boost, that you pick a power maul instead.

Boltguns for chiefs cost 1ppm. i would reccomend either though las/autogun or boltgun beyond the melee equipment due to your stalker marauders beeing your dakka units.
Also marauders don't really need melee equipment to be mean in melee, since they have a flat 2 A value allready.



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Hey, Not Online!!! -Ironically, you are?

Maybee i am, maybee i am not, maybee i am a bot.

Lol thanks man that clears things up a lot! for a bot you're pretty insightful

Just to clarify though; my squads have to be WYSIWYG; so I can probably make lasguns appear on the autopistol guys; but beyond that the list will probably end up reading how it ends up modelled...

with that said... I've just drafted another take; which do you feel would play better?

I basically:

Removed Daemons
Removed Power sword from Commander
Added a 4th Marauder Squad, with Plasmagun. (3xPlas 1xMelta)
Added 2 Squadrons of 3 Armoured Sentinels, 3 Plasmacannon, 3 Autocannon

My name is an inside joke, that said, a long running one

I would either throw down some lasguns under their feet or just leave them then.

As for your new consideration:

RO3 (in this case actually rule of 2) you don't seem to have were you play. I would make it very clear that in 450 pts Marauders are probably one of the units that could be considered rather unfair if they show up in masses.

So 2x3 Sentinels. Now that is a lot of relative tough shooting.
I would probably invest in more AC ones over the plasma cannon due to the pricing of the plasma cannon.

Have you considered a distraction carnifex Chaos spawn or 2?

Alternatively you could go full insane and field a Renegade platoon with HWT support.

Commander Covenant Tzenntch, +1 LD generic trait.
Commander
50 pts.

5 Command disciples, Command vox, (40 pts)
5 Command disciples, Command Vox. (40 pts)

Troops:
20 militia, vox 85 pts
20 Militia, vox 85 pts
20 militia, vox 85 pts.

385pts:

that would leave you with 65 pts.
Which would give 2 Sentinels.

Alternatively:
Vanguard
Commander

3x 10 Marauders: 2x PG 180 +66 pts.( 246 pts.)
that would be 271 so you would have another 179 pts free, which you could fill with a Leman russ and some sentinels.
Also marauder squads don't suffer from not beeing msu, use that to your advantage.

Thanks for the suggestions! I'll have a think on it all and get back to you!

To be honest I'd completely forgotten about RO3; that cripples my sketched outrider of Daemon Doggos…. Crap...

 GamerGuy wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll have a think on it all and get back to you!

To be honest I'd completely forgotten about RO3; that cripples my sketched outrider of Daemon Doggos…. Crap...

Not to worry. Also RO2 instead of 3 at that point level but:

You can make 2 x10 Marauders + equipment. And field another 2 Disciple Squads for some long range at.
2x3 Sentinels is perfectly fine imo for 450 pts.

Consider maybee an leman russ?
Or field some Troops.

-Renegades and Heretics-
Vanguard
Covenant of Khorne

Renegade Commander
Chainsword & Shotgun

Renegade Marauder Squad -Stalkers- x5
Chainsword & Laspistol
3x Lasguns
Grenade Launcher

3x Scout Sentinels
3x Autocannons

3x Armoured Sentinels
3x Plasma Cannons

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448... Add a sentinel chainsaw to the squadron leader of scouts? or the Armoured Squad?

Either way I gotta admit I like this build, any tips/suggestions as ever eagerly anticipated!

GamerGuy

Hail, Leicester. Phat Kat or Squiq?

Why three Scouts and three Armoured, armed like that? Can you expect to face much armour/2+ at 450pts?

I would seriously look into magnetizing your Sentinels so you can run them as either, with any weaponry. It's not difficult. IIRC, elmo at the BnC has a tutorial over there.

I'm neither mate; garage gaming for me, frequent tabletop tyrants on Bedford street

3 of each to get around the datasheet limitations
I wanted to run loads of sentinels; just love the models

Plasma Cannons reliably deal with a multitude of threats
and
Autocannons just look aesthetically awesome on sentinels

Will strongly consider magnetising; its on my to-do list

cheap durable heavy weapons platforms have gotta come in useful at this points level, especially with so many of em?

GamerGuy

Ah, fair enough. I used to be a Phat Kat. I'd recommend them, personally. Good dudes.

Does Jack still work at TT? He's a Phat Kat, too.

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Yeah, for sure they'll be useful but I wonder if you're focusing too much on 2,000pt threats, not 450pts threats. Again, how much armour and how many 2+ saves can you expect to face at that level?

For example, at 450pts my R&H could put over 100 pairs of boots on the field and just swamp the objectives. Even with terrible Morale rules, I don't see how you could deal with that.

I mean, I wouldn't, 'cause it would be boring. But I could easily bring 60 pairs of boots and a Basilisk. Or a Herald and 65 Daemonettes. EDIT - Or a Daemon Prince and 45 Daemonettes.

tl;dr a horde will ruin your day. If you're thinking of taking Scout Sentinels I presume that they'll be on the move. Maybe put Heavy Flamers on them? You don't have to suffer through the -1 to hit and it beefs up your ability to take down hordes and chaff screens.

Seems like the usual suspects have shown up

Vanguard
Covenant of Khorne

Renegade Commander
Chainsword & Shotgun

Renegade Marauder Squad -Stalkers- x5
Chainsword & Laspistol
3x Lasguns
Grenade Launcher

3x Scout Sentinels
3x Autocannons

3x Armoured Sentinels
3x Plasma Cannons

You need more elites for that to be a vanguard buuuut i heared you like sentinels.
How about you make that into the fast assult detachment and field Salamander scout tanks?
they are like beefier and more dakka like Sentinels and a bit tougher. (also available in 1-3 per FA slot.)
75 pts for a AC, HB and HS.

Only problem is finding salamander tanks. OOP, in-demand, and very pricey.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Only problem is finding salamander tanks. OOP, in-demand, and very pricey.

HA, get thyself a Basilisk or wyvern, build a battery for ground use get an AC, done.

Ayuh, a Basilisk without the Earthshaker is functionally indistinguishable from a Salamander.

Not the Spehhhssss Mahrreeeens, natch.