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I actually want some input on two list. I want to know if they are viable and what i can do to make them better. I also want to know if my strategy with them is sound. I am going to play against an Ork army (friendly match) with a player with more experience then me.
Here's Raven:

​++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [13 PL, 3CP, 180pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Battle-forged CP [3CP]

​Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Cadian

​+ HQ +

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Display Astra Militarum Orders, Grand Strategist, Laspistol, Relic: Kurov's Aquila, Warlord

​+ Troops +

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​ Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​++ Super-Heavy Detachment +6CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [95 PL, -4CP, 1,846pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Exalted Court [-3CP]: Exalted Court: 2 Extra Warlord Traits

​Heirlooms of the Household [-1CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom

​Household Choice: Questor Mechanicus . House Raven

​+ Lord of War +

​Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Endless Fury, Twin Icarus Autocannon

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Twin Icarus Autocannon, Warlord Trait: Landstrider

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy Stubber, Twin Icarus Autocannon

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Gallant [20 PL, 352pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike gauntlet, Warlord Trait: Knight Seneschal

​++ Total: [108 PL, -1CP, 2,026pts] ++



(I know i am over 2k, but since its a friendly game, he doesn't mind, he will just put a few more gizmo on some boys to get there)

The overall strategy is to use the IG as a CP battery/meat shield, the gallant as a distraction carnifex that can put some hurt if ignored, and the crusaders as a somewhat mobile artillery to pop threat. its pretty straight forward.



Here is hawkshroud



++ Super-Heavy Detachment +6CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [94 PL, -1CP, 1,817pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Battle-forged CP [3CP]

​Exalted Court [-1CP]: Exalted Court: 1 Extra Warlord Trait

​Heirlooms of the Household [-3CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 2 Extra Heirlooms

​Household Choice: Questor Imperialis . House Hawkshroud

​+ Lord of War +

​Armiger Helverins [9 PL, 184pts] . Armiger Helverin: Meltagun

​ Armiger Helverins [9 PL, 184pts] . Armiger Helverin: Meltagun

​ Knight Valiant [30 PL, 583pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Character (Heirloom of the House), Heirloom: Sanctuary, Warlord Trait: Landstrider

. One Siegebreaker Cannon and Four Shieldbreaker Missiles: 4x Shieldbreaker Missile, Twin Siegebreaker Cannon

​ Knight Warden [23 PL, 439pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Ironstorm Missile Pod, Meltagun, Thunderstrike gauntlet

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

​ Knight Warden [23 PL, 427pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Armour of the Sainted Ion, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Thunderstrike gauntlet

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

​ ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [13 PL, 180pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum

​+ HQ +

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Grand Strategist, Laspistol, Relic: Kurov's Aquila, Warlord

​+ Troops +

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​++ Total: [107 PL, -1CP, 1,997pts] ++

Here the strategy is to try to pop ranged threat such as tankbusta and maybe deffcopta with my missiles and my Helverin at the start. (they will shift to heavy units, vehicle and such afterward). My GI are again, just used as CP battery/meat shield. But most of the strat is based on the use of the Hawkshroud specific stratagem and its synergy with flamers (warden and valiant). I hope to punish his charge as much as i can. I might use sally forth to flank him. Also, the wardens kit seems a good all rounder for me.



I want to know what you guys think. Are these list viable? Are the strategy sound? which one should I choose? do you have a prefered way to do things? Any suggestion or improvement?

Kolizuljin wrote:
I actually want some input on two list. I want to know if they are viable and what i can do to make them better. I also want to know if my strategy with them is sound. I am going to play against an Ork army (friendly match) with a player with more experience then me.
Here's Raven:

​++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [13 PL, 3CP, 180pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Battle-forged CP [3CP]

​Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Cadian

​+ HQ +

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Display Astra Militarum Orders, Grand Strategist, Laspistol, Relic: Kurov's Aquila, Warlord

​+ Troops +

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​ Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​++ Super-Heavy Detachment +6CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [95 PL, -4CP, 1,846pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Exalted Court [-3CP]: Exalted Court: 2 Extra Warlord Traits

​Heirlooms of the Household [-1CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom

​Household Choice: Questor Mechanicus . House Raven

​+ Lord of War +

​Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Endless Fury, Twin Icarus Autocannon

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Twin Icarus Autocannon, Warlord Trait: Landstrider

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Crusader [25 PL, 498pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy Stubber, Twin Icarus Autocannon

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

. Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

​ Knight Gallant [20 PL, 352pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike gauntlet, Warlord Trait: Knight Seneschal

​++ Total: [108 PL, -1CP, 2,026pts] ++

I would ditch the Autocannons, not really worth it IMO. Also would either change Landstrider to a more useful Trait on a Crusader, or swap a Crusader for a Gallant with Landstrider.

(I know i am over 2k, but since its a friendly game, he doesn't mind, he will just put a few more gizmo on some boys to get there)

The overall strategy is to use the IG as a CP battery/meat shield, the gallant as a distraction carnifex that can put some hurt if ignored, and the crusaders as a somewhat mobile artillery to pop threat. its pretty straight forward.



Here is hawkshroud



++ Super-Heavy Detachment +6CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [94 PL, -1CP, 1,817pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Battle-forged CP [3CP]

​Exalted Court [-1CP]: Exalted Court: 1 Extra Warlord Trait

​Heirlooms of the Household [-3CP]: Heirlooms of the Household: 2 Extra Heirlooms

​Household Choice: Questor Imperialis . House Hawkshroud

​+ Lord of War +

​Armiger Helverins [9 PL, 184pts] . Armiger Helverin: Meltagun

​ Armiger Helverins [9 PL, 184pts] . Armiger Helverin: Meltagun

​ Knight Valiant [30 PL, 583pts]: Character (Exalted Court), Character (Heirloom of the House), Heirloom: Sanctuary, Warlord Trait: Landstrider

. One Siegebreaker Cannon and Four Shieldbreaker Missiles: 4x Shieldbreaker Missile, Twin Siegebreaker Cannon

​ Knight Warden [23 PL, 439pts]: Character (Knight Lance), Ironstorm Missile Pod, Meltagun, Thunderstrike gauntlet

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

​ Knight Warden [23 PL, 427pts]: Character (Heirloom of the House), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Armour of the Sainted Ion, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Thunderstrike gauntlet

. Avenger Gatling Cannon w/ Heavy Flamer: Avenger Gatling Cannon, Heavy Flamer

​ ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [13 PL, 180pts] ++

​+ No Force Org Slot +

​Regimental Doctrine: Astra Millitarum

​+ HQ +

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol

​Company Commander [2 PL, 30pts]: Chainsword, Grand Strategist, Laspistol, Relic: Kurov's Aquila, Warlord

​+ Troops +

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​Infantry Squad [3 PL, 40pts] . 9x Guardsman . Sergeant: Laspistol

​++ Total: [107 PL, -1CP, 1,997pts] ++

Here the strategy is to try to pop ranged threat such as tankbusta and maybe deffcopta with my missiles and my Helverin at the start. (they will shift to heavy units, vehicle and such afterward). My GI are again, just used as CP battery/meat shield. But most of the strat is based on the use of the Hawkshroud specific stratagem and its synergy with flamers (warden and valiant). I hope to punish his charge as much as i can. I might use sally forth to flank him. Also, the wardens kit seems a good all rounder for me.



I want to know what you guys think. Are these list viable? Are the strategy sound? which one should I choose? do you have a prefered way to do things? Any suggestion or improvement?

Same again, I would swap one Warden for a Gallant, and use the leftover points to upgrade the second to a Crusader.