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I've been going through the rules, plotting out lists for the inevitable Apocalypse game when I noticed something.

The rules for selecting detachment commanders state that it "must be the unit with the highest Leadership characteristic".
The highest leadership for Ork characters is 6 (Warbosses, Ghazghkull, and Grotsnik), with most of the rest at 5 or 4.
Most Ork infantry units (Boyz, Tankbustas, Kommandos, Lootas, etc) start at Ld 5 for minimum squad sizes but go up to Ld 7 when maxed out (or in the case of Warbikers, Ld 8).
Grot units are Ld 4, but go up to 6 if you include a Runtherd.

So... If I want to include any units at max squad size I'm going to have to make them my detachment commander instead of any of my characters? Is there something I'm missing here?
The fluff travesty of a squad of Boyz bossing around Ghazghkull is bad enough, but the fact that this will handicap Orks generating command assets is really aggravating.

Diversion83 wrote:
I've been going through the rules, plotting out lists for the inevitable Apocalypse game when I noticed something.

The rules for selecting detachment commanders state that it "must be the unit with the highest Leadership characteristic".
The highest leadership for Ork characters is 6 (Warbosses, Ghazghkull, and Grotsnik), with most of the rest at 5 or 4.
Most Ork infantry units (Boyz, Tankbustas, Kommandos, Lootas, etc) start at Ld 5 for minimum squad sizes but go up to Ld 7 when maxed out (or in the case of Warbikers, Ld 8).
Grot units are Ld 4, but go up to 6 if you include a Runtherd.

So... If I want to include any units at max squad size I'm going to have to make them my detachment commander instead of any of my characters? Is there something I'm missing here?
The fluff travesty of a squad of Boyz bossing around Ghazghkull is bad enough, but the fact that this will handicap Orks generating command assets is really aggravating.

This isn't an issue, though. None of the detachments (apart from Supreme Command) requires you to take an HQ choice. So grab a battalion with three maxed-out Boyz units and then add three patrol detachments, each with a single small Grotz unit and two character HQs. That alone already gets you 3 command assets on top of the one you always get.
Then add that Apoc doesn't care one whit about the armies' power ratings – you can mix and match to your heart's content.

Snugiraffe wrote:

Diversion83 wrote:
I've been going through the rules, plotting out lists for the inevitable Apocalypse game when I noticed something.

The rules for selecting detachment commanders state that it "must be the unit with the highest Leadership characteristic".
The highest leadership for Ork characters is 6 (Warbosses, Ghazghkull, and Grotsnik), with most of the rest at 5 or 4.
Most Ork infantry units (Boyz, Tankbustas, Kommandos, Lootas, etc) start at Ld 5 for minimum squad sizes but go up to Ld 7 when maxed out (or in the case of Warbikers, Ld 8).
Grot units are Ld 4, but go up to 6 if you include a Runtherd.

So... If I want to include any units at max squad size I'm going to have to make them my detachment commander instead of any of my characters? Is there something I'm missing here?
The fluff travesty of a squad of Boyz bossing around Ghazghkull is bad enough, but the fact that this will handicap Orks generating command assets is really aggravating.

This isn't an issue, though. None of the detachments (apart from Supreme Command) requires you to take an HQ choice. So grab a battalion with three maxed-out Boyz units and then add three patrol detachments, each with a single small Grotz unit and two character HQs. That alone already gets you 3 command assets on top of the one you always get.
Then add that Apoc doesn't care one whit about the armies' power ratings – you can mix and match to your heart's content.

It is KIND of an issue though. They shouldnt need list building shenanigans to get cards. They should be able to build a list like everybody else.

 Lance845 wrote:

Snugiraffe wrote:

Diversion83 wrote:
I've been going through the rules, plotting out lists for the inevitable Apocalypse game when I noticed something.

The rules for selecting detachment commanders state that it "must be the unit with the highest Leadership characteristic".
The highest leadership for Ork characters is 6 (Warbosses, Ghazghkull, and Grotsnik), with most of the rest at 5 or 4.
Most Ork infantry units (Boyz, Tankbustas, Kommandos, Lootas, etc) start at Ld 5 for minimum squad sizes but go up to Ld 7 when maxed out (or in the case of Warbikers, Ld 8).
Grot units are Ld 4, but go up to 6 if you include a Runtherd.

So... If I want to include any units at max squad size I'm going to have to make them my detachment commander instead of any of my characters? Is there something I'm missing here?
The fluff travesty of a squad of Boyz bossing around Ghazghkull is bad enough, but the fact that this will handicap Orks generating command assets is really aggravating.

This isn't an issue, though. None of the detachments (apart from Supreme Command) requires you to take an HQ choice. So grab a battalion with three maxed-out Boyz units and then add three patrol detachments, each with a single small Grotz unit and two character HQs. That alone already gets you 3 command assets on top of the one you always get.
Then add that Apoc doesn't care one whit about the armies' power ratings – you can mix and match to your heart's content.

It is KIND of an issue though. They shouldnt need list building shenanigans to get cards. They should be able to build a list like everybody else.

Yeah, this definitely feels like someone had a cute idea to translate Mob Rule through basic stats and did not think about the implications when it comes to characters.

Some of it I get - only small amounts of orks would consent to be commanded by some weedy Mek or Painboy, and only Gretchins would really want to even be around a Weirdboy, and it's not like Orks are the only faction where you can run into the situation where certain support type characters have trouble commanding some units. Platoon Commanders, Astropaths, Masters of Fleet and Ordnance and a few others are out-LD'd by many Astra Militarum units.

Ironically a Master of Ordnance cannot command Ordnance, now that I look at it. Basilisks outrank him.

wouldn't be a GW game without something like this XD

Theres similar nonsense in DE. Archon has to be in a transport to keep up with units. Aura and 3/4 of command cards don't work in transports.

Fix it with a house rule. Ignore the ld requirement. You must pick a character if one exists in the detachment.

Obviously large groups of rowdy boyz can't be controlled and thus don't generate command assets! Intended and fluffy!