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Is this a good set? https://www.gamersroll.com/tapwp8021-army-painter-warpaints-mega-paint-set-2017.html?utm_source=google_shopping&m=simple&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpI-zmIfH5AIVEMRkCh1oNgivEAQYASABEgIlcvD_BwE

Typically I paint bases (need light and dark brown), chaos undivided marines (one unit of each major god), red tau, blue eldar/or ulthwe havn't decided.

I guess what I'm concerned about is does this give me something like bleach bone, boltgun metal silver, bronze for highlights on the boltgun stuff, and all the colors I need for my armies or... am I better off with a different paint set (basically all my GW paint has been sitting so long (8yrs since I last painted) that its beyond saving.

Its definately in my price range, but might not be better than buying individual paints of what I know I want (which is about 20 or so)

Warpaints are low cost, and have their fans, but generally require excessive agitation to make them work properly, and often have coverage issues. Their early metallic were also dodgy, but I've heard that they might be improving.

Vallejo game color is the range you want. It's based heavily on the pre 2012 citadel range, so it'll have your colors with slightly different names.

My advice: don't buy a complete set before you've tried a few basic colours from multiple different ranges. So much comes down to personal preference and you can't just take the word of some bloke off the internet.

Vallejo Game Color are superficially similar to the old citadel paints, but they don't behave the same because of the fast-drying additive that's in them.

Vallejo Model Color behave more like old citadel paints, but the names are mostly from military scale modelling. The range is massive though, so you'd be able to find the colours you want.

I don't really use Army Painter, but I've heard they do good washes.

If you don't mind spending a little extra for the initial outlay, try the Vallejo Metal Color range for your metallics. They come in bigger bottles, but in my opinion they're worth it.

Il throw my hat in for Vallejo
you can get every shade of green brown and grey you could ever want in the normal range
Game color is pretty good as well.

im not 100% in on their washes. i still use GW ones.

However you still generally need to up keep the bottles.

iv had them clog and even crack a few times some how.

alternatively Scale 75 is also very good but very hard to come by in places.

We actually just had a recent thread on this here, if you want to read some more opinions.

I'll repost what I said though:

Miniature Market has good prices on Vallejo and Scale 75 paints and flat rate shipping as well. Hard to beat the price on Vallejo, or the quality on Scale 75 (and it's still cheaper, per ML, than GW).

They also have the Vallejo Metal Color paints although they sell fast, so set yourself up with alerts if you are looking for something specific. Scale 75's metallics are also good, just not as good as VMC, but that can also depend on your painting style.

I scooped up a Scale 75 full paint set a while back when they had a sale on eBay, so 15% off an already discounted set price, which ended up as $3.11 per 17 ML bottle. Those sales are hard to predict though.

I do have AP washes, GW washes, and some GW paints which I picked up at highly discounted prices. No real reason to pay regular GW prices though, their paint is not that good.

There are other fantastic paint brand options out there too, but we can probably make lists for days.

TL;DR: AP paint is generally not regarded as being "quality" by most people, Vallejo is not much more expensive and is much better regarded.

AP washes are the best washes, but AP paints are solidly "meh". They work, but like was said, Vallejo is better quality for not much more cost, but if your local store has AP paints then use AP paints.

Generally speaking, every paint line out there will work fine. Experienced painters will use a few favorite colors from many different manufacturers and each paintline has it's quirks (how shiny or flat they dry, how well they cover, how thick they are out of the bottle, some separate quickly and must be vigorously shaken each time etc) but generally speaking, acrylic paint is acrylic paint is acrylic paint and any quirks of the brand you'll get used to very quickly, and most brands can be freely intermixed if you do need to mix up custom colors.

Get whatever your local hobby shop sells, so it'll be easy to restock if you run out, and don't be afraid to use multiple brands together if one company makes a color you like

If you are willing to mix your colors and want solid single pigment paints to work from...

https://kimeramodels.com/product/kimera-kolors-set/

This will cover any and every single color you could need. You'll just have to mix your hues as needed.. which isn't bad.

It's what we used to do when Citadel Paints consisted of a single starter set.

Also one should note, these are single pigment paints, which means they are usually going to be metal based (titanium oxides for instance).. what this means is.. don't airbrush them without a mask and don't lick them. A little won't hurt you.. over time though the metals will build up in your system. Remember that most heavier metal pigments are "bioavailable" which means your body can uptake them easier than say.. metallic titanium which really isn't.. might be hard on your lungs but it's not going to go into your blood stream or be uptaken into cells and bone.

GW paint isn't bad, to the contrary, they sell good paint. The issues are uncertain continuity if they change vendors again and the stupid, useless pots they ship the stuff in.

If you do pour the GW paint into dropper bottles, which you can get cheap from amazon, you can avoid the headache of the pots. I did that for GW paints I had left from starting out in the hobby and for a couple of contrast paints I bought recently.

My go-to paint manufacturer is Vallejo, but I strongly recommend to just buy paint as you need it for projects, without worrying to buy them all from the same manufacturer.

 Stephanius wrote:
GW paint isn't bad, to the contrary, they sell good paint. The issues are uncertain continuity if they change vendors again and the stupid, useless pots they ship the stuff in.

If you do pour the GW paint into dropper bottles, which you can get cheap from amazon, you can avoid the headache of the pots. I did that for GW paints I had left from starting out in the hobby and for a couple of contrast paints I bought recently.

My go-to paint manufacturer is Vallejo, but I strongly recommend to just buy paint as you need it for projects, without worrying to buy them all from the same manufacturer.

If you have excess air-gap in the bottle it will dry out too. It's a citadel paint thing (speeding dry). I had some yellow in a dropper that needed to be re-thinned as it was drying out and getting super thick.

 meatybtz wrote:

 Stephanius wrote:
GW paint isn't bad, to the contrary, they sell good paint. The issues are uncertain continuity if they change vendors again and the stupid, useless pots they ship the stuff in.

If you do pour the GW paint into dropper bottles, which you can get cheap from amazon, you can avoid the headache of the pots. I did that for GW paints I had left from starting out in the hobby and for a couple of contrast paints I bought recently.

My go-to paint manufacturer is Vallejo, but I strongly recommend to just buy paint as you need it for projects, without worrying to buy them all from the same manufacturer.

If you have excess air-gap in the bottle it will dry out too. It's a citadel paint thing (speeding dry). I had some yellow in a dropper that needed to be re-thinned as it was drying out and getting super thick.

Sure, but the main difference for me is that the Citadel pots are by design meant to be left open while painting and are hard to close tight once opened.
Not to mention contamination of the paint by stuff on the brush and the stupidly tall new pots being knocked over too easily.

Apart from cynically causing paint to dry quickly, is there a good reason for GW style paint pots?

I guess the only one I can think of is that GW have always tried to lower the barrier to entry into the hobby. If you use GW paints, you don't need a palette I suppose, so that's one less thing preventing you from painting models.

Well they are also very easy to spill and roll around.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Well they are also very easy to spill and roll around.

Which just like drying out could be good for sales if the lost volume is replaced at the till in the shop ;-]

That being said, GW does sell painting pallets and other companies sell paint in these stupid pots.
I was interested in AK's release "real paint" until I saw they use the stupid pots.

I like the GW paints for their accessibility and they are good quality. The GW pots do however eat ass.

To combat them drying out I made a large humidor for them; seems to be working so far.

 oni wrote:
I like the GW paints for their accessibility and they are good quality. The GW pots do however eat ass.

To combat them drying out I made a large humidor for them; seems to be working so far.

Interesting fix.

I also keep my White's in a separate plastic bag with additional moisture control. This has kept them going for quite some time now.

https://bovedainc.com/

You could always check our line out, Citadel matched colours to 99% as well as metallics and a vintage line to boot!

We're priced far better than everyone else as well with the same high quality too so......

Oh, and then there's our Water+ too, use it to thin paint down to get ultra smooth coats thanks to its crosslinking effect with no tinting, unlike straight water which really messes it up!

I love P3 paints and Army Painter washes. Great combo.