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Title has it all, as of now GW continues to use Cadians as the poster boys for guardsmen despite the dramatic downfall of their namesake planet. practically all of the newer artwork depicts cadians, straightly transplanted from the model range (as opposed to the broader interperation seen in earlier art pieces).

I know that models-wise Cadians are the logical go-to choice with the only alternative being the more rudimentary Catachans, but with all the story advances going on promoting another regiment and releasing new guardsmen models simultaneously seems like low hanging fruit for GW.

Thoughs and suggestions?

Personally, i'd be fine with that. But unfortunately, GW's policy regarding models also applies to their fluff unfortunately, so they won't be replacing them anytime soon. You can kinda tell from how they've doubled down on the Cadian stuff with the traitor guardsmen in Blackstone Fortress following an updated and chaotic design of Cadian regiments. Fluff wise Cadia effectively still lives with the various planets that have been colonized by Cadian regiments and there were plenty of them offworld at the time of Cadia's demise. I wouldn't be surprised for them to come up with a Nova Cadia or successor planet that survivors huddle around as a next plot point for Cadia still standing.

Tallarn desert raiders would be welcome by my open wallet!

I'm convinced were getting new guard in the future once they've milked us for what they can currently. I'm thinkng an elysian type regiment to go with scions.

SamusDrake wrote:
Tallarn desert raiders would be welcome by my open wallet!

I would LOVE plastic Tallarns. They are amazing in terms of appearance and theme.

Cadian stuff wasn't produced on their planet.
The fluff has established for a fairly long time now that their regiments have gotten settlement rights for a lot of planets.


That said, I'd rather see an 'Imperial Army' style resurgence now that Guilliman's back. Different visual aesthetics get tied to specialized units:

Heavier armored with bulky backpack mounted weapon powerpacks equates to Elite choices.
Middling armor with standard weapons are your Troops.
Little to no armor with a scavenged gun are your Conscripts.
Light armor, longer ranged rifles with weird deployment mechanisms are your Fast Attack or Heavy Support choices.

I think it would have to be something unique and VERY stylish. Think Scions but on a more industrialized scale. I would imagine it would be something with a great cloak vibe, some armor pieces over it.

Actually they already did that! The void troopers from Rogue Trader. Just take away the ornamentation and give it a mass produced feel. It would also be really cool to get things like the Gatling cannon, although thats not exactly a battlefield friendly weapon.

Scions aren't the answer and never will be the answer. They're Militarum Tempestus, essentially a branch of the Schola Progenium/Prefectus.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Scions aren't the answer and never will be the answer. They're Militarum Tempestus, essentially a branch of the Schola Progenium/Prefectus.

Officio Prefectus and Ordo Tempestus. Scholas are just the schools.

SamusDrake wrote:
Tallarn desert raiders would be welcome by my open wallet!

Lol. Why wait, I have 120+ Tallarn I am looking to sell.

But back on topic, it really would be great to see something different besides Cadians and the occasional Catachan force.

The Imperial Guard really do have such a wealth of options for GW to explore and so many possibilities for their design to exploit.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Scions aren't the answer and never will be the answer. They're Militarum Tempestus, essentially a branch of the Schola Progenium/Prefectus.

Officio Prefectus and Ordo Tempestus. Scholas are just the schools.

They're more than that actually. Training academies and effectively garrisons as well.

I want a re-work of the Guard line, model wise.

Make them even more old fashioned looking. A mixture of Metro2033 and 30k Solar Auxilia. Steam Powered Tanks with laser and plasma cannons, etc.

Would be great.

Wouldn't that make them look like scions though?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Scions aren't the answer and never will be the answer. They're Militarum Tempestus, essentially a branch of the Schola Progenium/Prefectus.

Officio Prefectus and Ordo Tempestus. Scholas are just the schools.

They're more than that actually. Training academies and effectively garrisons as well.

They can be garrisons, though that’s usually only the case when a regiment makes the place their homeworld as well as their recruiting ground. Besides, the Ordo Tempestus and the Commissariat (Officio Prefectus) are what actually maintain control of these regiments.

I think Steel Legion make the most sense. They look the most unique of the the base regiments and make the most sense in the the 40K universe. Also they draw the least from real life if that helps.

Plus they have their planet still and there could be many more Armageddon events.

 Smirrors wrote:
I think Steel Legion make the most sense. They look the most unique of the the base regiments and make the most sense in the the 40K universe. Also they draw the least from real life if that helps.

They draw more from real life than Cadians do actually. They're garbed similar to Falschirmjager from the initial crossings into Poland/Belgium.

Plus they have their planet still and there could be many more Armageddon events.

Given that Guard regiments are rarely fighting on their 'homeworld', it doesn't really matter.

I'd rather they got rid of the notion of poster boys altogether. I'd like it if they got the Space Marine treatment. Core codex with all of the rules necessary to make your own regiment, followed up with supplements to give extra rules for some of the more famed regiments.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Smirrors wrote:
I think Steel Legion make the most sense. They look the most unique of the the base regiments and make the most sense in the the 40K universe. Also they draw the least from real life if that helps.

They draw more from real life than Cadians do actually. They're garbed similar to Falschirmjager from the initial crossings into Poland/Belgium.

Plus they have their planet still and there could be many more Armageddon events.

Given that Guard regiments are rarely fighting on their 'homeworld', it doesn't really matter.

Ok I just think Cadians look more like modern day infantry.

As for Armageddon its was a slight stab at Cadians and from a practical point of view, is a way for them to reintroduce plastics into a campaign planet that has a lot of lore already.

Steel Legion is a lot more generic than say Tallarn, Mordian, Valhallan, Catahan, Vostroyan etc


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 Ginjitzu wrote:
I'd rather they got rid of the notion of poster boys altogether. I'd like it if they got the Space Marine treatment. Core codex with all of the rules necessary to make your own regiment, followed up with supplements to give extra rules for some of the more famed regiments.

All space marines look the same and use the same kit.

Guard historically all have different models.

So poster boy is more reference to what the new plastic kit would look like.

bring back Necromunda Spyders.

Failing that, give me Catachans.

 Smirrors wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I'd rather they got rid of the notion of poster boys altogether. I'd like it if they got the Space Marine treatment. Core codex with all of the rules necessary to make your own regiment, followed up with supplements to give extra rules for some of the more famed regiments.

All space marines look the same and use the same kit.
Guard historically all have different models.
So poster boy is more reference to what the new plastic kit would look like.

Ah! I see. In that case I'm going to have to throw my hat in the opposite direction and say that generic rather than unique is the way to go, and for me, Cadians do have what I would call the most generic look.

Actually, as far as lore is concerned, I don't mind them using words like Cadia, Tallarn and Armageddon to describe regiments, but I would prefer if they added the word "pattern," so that I can have a regiment raised all the way over on the other side of the galaxy in say, Ultramar, that has no link whatsoever to Cadia, other than that it follows their "pattern" of training and equipping their soldiers. Admittedly, I'm not a guard player, so if this is already the case, please kindly ignore me.

Absolutely not. No other guard regiment has produced such tactical genius as the Cadian 8th.


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 Ginjitzu wrote:

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 Smirrors wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I'd rather they got rid of the notion of poster boys altogether. I'd like it if they got the Space Marine treatment. Core codex with all of the rules necessary to make your own regiment, followed up with supplements to give extra rules for some of the more famed regiments.

All space marines look the same and use the same kit.
Guard historically all have different models.
So poster boy is more reference to what the new plastic kit would look like.

Ah! I see. In that case I'm going to have to throw my hat in the opposite direction and say that generic rather than unique is the way to go, and for me, Cadians do have what I would call the most generic look.

Actually, as far as lore is concerned, I don't mind them using words like Cadia, Tallarn and Armageddon to describe regiments, but I would prefer if they added the word "pattern," so that

I can have a regiment raised all the way over on the other side of the galaxy in say, Ultramar, that has no link whatsoever to Cadia, other than that it follows their "pattern" of training and equipping their soldiers. Admittedly, I'm not a guard player, so if this is already the case, please kindly ignore me.

It is already the case. The explanation for why all these guard regiments run around in cadian armour is that as the best of the guard, they are often copied by lesser regiments.

No, Cadians are amazing. That said, sure would be nice for other regiments to get a look. Also would be nice for Guard to get anything new at all really. Considering how long between any new models guard go, I wouldn't be holding my breath for new guard infantry lines.

Plastic while nice does have the annoying side effect of making multiple different looks from GW rather unlikely event :( Gone are the times when GW could easily create 6+ different looks for IG.

Ah well. Hopefully they get some sort of new kit eventually.

What would be cool:
Separate sprues for legs, bodies, arms, heads with 3-6 variants each at least online and the option to mix and match. So in the stor e you might still only have Cadians/Catachan, gut you can order mostly personalized Guardsmen in plastic.

Body/legs/arms options for example:
1. carapace armor
2. flak armor
3. fatigues
4. bare (like Catachan arms)
5. greatcoat/winter

Heads:
1. helmet
2. bare
3. ushanka/pilotka
4. turban
5. steel helmet + gasmask

Of course there could be more options, but with this alone one could mix and match a great variety

And that runs into practicalities. With price of plastic moulds they need to sell big quantities. If most buy one regiment and others are sold in minor quantities that's easily losing money proposal for GW.

Basically to release 2 regiments they would need to about double IG sales. 3 regiments? Tripple. If same customer pool just splits purchaces between regiments that's bad deal for GW. Unless you make one sprue that has them all at once but that will then make for rather expensive sprue for players to buy...

Pyroalchi wrote:
What would be cool:
Separate sprues for legs, bodies, arms, heads with 3-6 variants each at least online and the option to mix and match. So in the stor e you might still only have Cadians/Catachan, gut you can order mostly personalized Guardsmen in plastic.

Body/legs/arms options for example:
1. carapace armor
2. flak armor
3. fatigues
4. bare (like Catachan arms)
5. greatcoat/winter

Heads:
1. helmet
2. bare
3. ushanka/pilotka
4. turban
5. steel helmet + gasmask

Of course there could be more options, but with this alone one could mix and match a great variety

That's how anvil industry does it and I agree, it's the best way to make proper guardsmen. But I don't see GW going that way with their whole monopose-direction lately, and I doubt if it's even profitable in plastic.

I definitely think there need to be a new injection of Guard models, with a variety of regiments. Whatever happened to the Mordian Iron Guard? They would make decent poster boys.

Valhallans, Vostroyans and Tallarns all need models brought back.

Some new regiments would be good, too. What happened to the Tanith First and Only from Gaunt's Ghosts? They had a few models previously (unless I'm imagining things?).

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Pyroalchi wrote:
What would be cool:
Separate sprues for legs, bodies, arms, heads with 3-6 variants each at least online and the option to mix and match. So in the stor e you might still only have Cadians/Catachan, gut you can order mostly personalized Guardsmen in plastic.

Body/legs/arms options for example:
1. carapace armor
2. flak armor
3. fatigues
4. bare (like Catachan arms)
5. greatcoat/winter

Heads:
1. helmet
2. bare
3. ushanka/pilotka
4. turban
5. steel helmet + gasmask

Of course there could be more options, but with this alone one could mix and match a great variety

That's how anvil industry does it and I agree, it's the best way to make proper guardsmen. But I don't see GW going that way with their whole monopose-direction lately, and I doubt if it's even profitable in plastic.

Know the difference? Gw plastic. AI resin. If gw wasn't against metal/resin so much it could work but with plastic fixation nope

Idk, Cadian Shock troops are still fine for what they are, 4pt chaff infantry. They're easy to assemble and easy to paint en masse. I get that some people like intricately detailed models and I don't mind that either for small scale painting endeavors. However when painting tens or hundreds of minis even Scion level detail starts to become too daunting. I'm struggling to finish the 20 that I have. Oh and also, the special weapons guys are posed identically in every squad unless you're into kitbashing. Especially the Plasma Gun pose gets old pretty fast. Don't expect to get multi-posed guys if they redo AM infantry.

That said I probably wouldn't mind if they released plastic Steel Legion.

tneva82 wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

Pyroalchi wrote:
What would be cool:
Separate sprues for legs, bodies, arms, heads with 3-6 variants each at least online and the option to mix and match. So in the stor e you might still only have Cadians/Catachan, gut you can order mostly personalized Guardsmen in plastic.

Body/legs/arms options for example:
1. carapace armor
2. flak armor
3. fatigues
4. bare (like Catachan arms)
5. greatcoat/winter

Heads:
1. helmet
2. bare
3. ushanka/pilotka
4. turban
5. steel helmet + gasmask

Of course there could be more options, but with this alone one could mix and match a great variety

That's how anvil industry does it and I agree, it's the best way to make proper guardsmen. But I don't see GW going that way with their whole monopose-direction lately, and I doubt if it's even profitable in plastic.

Know the difference? Gw plastic. AI resin. If gw wasn't against metal/resin so much it could work but with plastic fixation nope

GW also has no clue how to resin comparatively.
E.g Failcast, or brittle FW resin....