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For 30k, do you just use older looking models or is there a specific 30k Section from GW somewhere?

Most of the 30K model support is from ForgeWorld, who make the game. They have a specific section on their webstore right here.

Games Workshop proper do provide some plastics, however. You can get plastic MK3 and MK4 power armour Space Marines, as well as Tartaros and Cataphracti pattern Terminators.

They also do an overpriced plastic Contemptor Dreadnought, but it's not very nice.

 Haanz wrote:
Most of the 30K model support is from ForgeWorld, who make the game. They have a specific section on their webstore right here.

Games Workshop proper do provide some plastics, however. You can get plastic MK3 and MK4 power armour Space Marines, as well as Tartaros and Cataphracti pattern Terminators.

They also do an overpriced plastic Contemptor Dreadnought, but it's not very nice.

Ah thanks...nice.

Had heard Forge World mentioned on this site various times but didnt realise it was a site like that.

Also depending on what you're doing, other GW plastic kits might be usable - their Rhino & Land Raider kits were both in use in small numbers, for example.

I looked but didnt see them...but can you get characters such as Saul Tarvitz, Garviel Loken etc (spelling might be wrong heh)

Thanks

VAYASEN wrote:
I looked but didnt see them...but can you get characters such as Saul Tarvitz, Garviel Loken etc (spelling might be wrong heh)

Yes - either look under their respective Legion, or under Character Series.

beast_gts wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
I looked but didnt see them...but can you get characters such as Saul Tarvitz, Garviel Loken etc (spelling might be wrong heh)

Yes - either look under their respective Legion, or under Character Series.

Thanks....some lovely figures but omg....the price!!

VAYASEN wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
I looked but didnt see them...but can you get characters such as Saul Tarvitz, Garviel Loken etc (spelling might be wrong heh)

Yes - either look under their respective Legion, or under Character Series.

Thanks....some lovely figures but omg....the price!!

Yes, you are now steeping into a very niche, much more expensive version of 40K where it's all resin, and very little plastic.

Many, many characters have rules in 30K, but very few have models. You'll have to do some conversions or "counts-as" depending on your Legion.

You'll also run into those Horus Heresy "Purists" that believe very strongly that 30K is a Historical Miniatures Game, which means certain Legions only used MK III armor, or MK IV Armor with Phobus Bolters, Land Raider MK II's, etc. etc. Just be aware that they can feel very strongly about this, and be prepared for it. Oh, and for the Love of the Emperor, don't bring xeno's up! LOL

 Tamwulf wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
I looked but didnt see them...but can you get characters such as Saul Tarvitz, Garviel Loken etc (spelling might be wrong heh)

Yes - either look under their respective Legion, or under Character Series.

Thanks....some lovely figures but omg....the price!!

Yes, you are now steeping into a very niche, much more expensive version of 40K where it's all resin, and very little plastic.

Many, many characters have rules in 30K, but very few have models. You'll have to do some conversions or "counts-as" depending on your Legion.

You'll also run into those Horus Heresy "Purists" that believe very strongly that 30K is a Historical Miniatures Game, which means certain Legions only used MK III armor, or MK IV Armor with Phobus Bolters, Land Raider MK II's, etc. etc. Just be aware that they can feel very strongly about this, and be prepared for it. Oh, and for the Love of the Emperor, don't bring xeno's up! LOL

Hehe...I love the Horus Heresy as the first BL books I read were Horus Rising, Galaxy in flames etc........I was tempted as a returning player to get into 30k instead but at those prices.......I think ill still to Dark Imperium which ive just got and get some tyranids too.

Thanks for thse info though.

Those purists are ridiculous, sure some Legions May have favored one mk of Equipment over the other, but there’s no way to know that one particular Legions whole armory was only such and such a mk, and so all the minis on the table much be such and such a mk. It’s pedantic and kills growth in a niche game. OP use whatever you think looks good and get games in.

 agurus1 wrote:
Those purists are ridiculous, sure some Legions May have favored one mk of Equipment over the other, but there’s no way to know that one particular Legions whole armory was only such and such a mk, and so all the minis on the table much be such and such a mk. It’s pedantic and kills growth in a niche game. OP use whatever you think looks good and get games in.

Well, actually there is in the Big Black Books. They talk very extensively about what each Legion had during the Great Crusade, at the beginning of the Horus Heresy/Isstivan III and V, and what everyone had at the Siege of Terra. The 40K Lexicanum on Power Armor talks about it, and this article talks about it as well.

I don't mind much what my opponent uses, except when the entire army is in MK VII armor, with 40K Deimos Rhino's, making it very obvious that it was a 40K army, and the player just wanted to try 30K. Not a big deal, just gives me a little heartburn is all. I encourage it because more 30K players=more opponents=more games=more fun. I just hope at some point they use more era specific models.
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I agree an effort should be made to make your army look like it fits in the setting, I agree with the example you use, ideally that player would phase out their more modern units. But especially for players just starting out it can be hard. Especially down that the boxed games are scarce again.

Agree with Augurus. Everyone should ask himself if he wants for the game to expand its base of players. One of the ways to do it is to make the unwritten rules concerning the look of the equipment miniatures have to be more liberal.

So if you ask me if someone has a MK7 marine he just have to swap the helmet for something resembling MK4 and its passable (would be nice to swap the bolter too). Mars pattern Rhino/Predator/Land Raider all passable. Ofcourse its always more welcome if someone puts more work into his army.

I disagree. It's better to have three 30k players than twenty 30k/35k/40k "we don't know" players because then it means in reality you have zero 30k players. 3 > 0.
Without purists, 30k wouldn't even exist. Augurus is right though and has the perfect balance in general

It is not the mathematics i know. Anyway if someone wants to play only with people who have proper, puritan armies theyre free to do so. Nobody is (i hope) forcing anyone in this hobby to do anything.

I think it's all about making something that looks like it's thematically a 30k army. Regarding purists:

- Forge World have stated that, while some Legions preferred some Marks to others, all Legions used all Marks to some degree.
- Forge World has also stated that LOADS of variant armour marks, test patterns, helmet designs etc were in use, from loads of local forge worlds.
- The Black Library books include plenty of examples of splinter forces being lost for years, away from resupply for years, using old or cobbled together equipment, etc.
- The Black Books include colour plates with Marines who have MK7-style helmets as part of their armour, etc etc.
- The Black Books also include plenty of variant shades, tones and colour schemes.

Essentially, if you've build an army of entirely identical MK3 Death Guard with ONLY fully MK3 parts on every model, only matching weapons, only FW Deimos vehicles and DG resin doors and painted with only the 'correct' FW paints etc, then you've built an army which is highly unlikely to actually exist in the background.

They aren't 'proper' or 'puritan', they're just way LESS fluffy than an army of mixed bits, variant helmets, and the odd 40k part thrown in.



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I have one puritan army and 1 (well maybe 2 because 2nd one is a small force) converted army where only 1 model is a proper puritan Praetor in Cataphractii armour. I converted every model trying to resemble artworks from old HH CCG.

I wouldnt say my army doesnt match a puritan army. Its just a little different.

Reading my previous message I may sound a bit conceited / purist at all cost. What I meant was: it's so easy to get 40k and 30k mixed together, I'm trying to avoid stormraven or primaris or obvious 40k stuff in 30k, I believe 30k is more a hobby than a game and 40k is more a game. People spend more time in their collection to "get it right" and it's so cool.
But I really don't care if an EC army uses MK3 or 6: that's not purist, it's stupid. All legion indeed used pretty much everything. In my very own regiment IRL, we are only one thousand and it's already mixed between old new and different patterns. I personally use an older mk of battle fatigues because I think it looks better lol.

Glumy I would be very interested by pictures of your converted army, do you have any blog ?

Before even gettin into the nuance of armour mk, is the model/army even painted? Let's get past that step before worrying too much.

The best thing about 30k is as long as you can get the wysiwyg right you can use pretty much any marine models you want. A rhino is a rhino, a land raider is a land raider, a bolter is a bolter and so on. You can actually start out with a decent pride of the legion list and expand from there.

Personally, I use mostly old rouge trader space marines as raven gaurd blacksheilds (which works for historic type people because raven guard legit had MK 6 armor in the horus hersey) and then a few other marks from an amour through the ages kit I bought years ago. It works well enough but forces you to pretty much exclusively play as either ravengaurd or alpha legion.

 godardc wrote:
Without purists, 30k wouldn't even exist.

It doesn't exist anyway, because they have fictional, having little in common with canon 30K, headcanon, houseruled game going on. FW books explicitly state that at least four legions had received Mk 7 during the Heresy, and that's just loyalists. Horus could have equipped any number of traitor forces with his warmaster access, not to mention battlefield spoils. Then there is Mk 5 armour, which was used by all legions, armour that in some depictions looks really similar to Mk 7, not to mention you have canon Heresy pattern helmets virtually identical to Mk 7 ones. Really, the only armour that would look out of place in Heresy is Mk 8, if not for the fact artificer plate was really common in HH and one of the most popular ways of showing it is Mk 8 style gorget. Hell, Word Bearer Ashen Circle parade in armour indistinguishable from Mk 8 save for helmet top, so yeah, "purists" can be safely called babies not knowing the canon of the game they supposedly 'purify'...

If you think about it, even primaris wouldn't be out of place in HH - not only is their armour based on HH variants, but there are numerous gene-edited blackshields, and both AL and RG made upgraded marines that were sufficiently primaris-like for the models to be used in HH, perhaps as some sort of veteran unit to give them appropriate stats, and it would be vastly more fluffy than whatever "purists" can come up with

It's more a question of which side of the Isstvan 3 rebellion you're playing in - before when your forces are part of the great crusade or after when all those support networks are in disarray?

My personal measure (if i'm being picky) is you got to have some head-cannon why you have it.
For me a force comprised of nothing but mk2 is the holy grail of great crusade era marine forces, but i'm really attached to the small Salamanders force i accured from a bunch of mk6, a couple of RT era techmarines and a pair of boxxy dreads that i head-cannon as Isstvan 5 remnants picked up by Calleb Decima.

That said, Crabblesworth has his priorities in order and i second his position.

 Haanz wrote:
Most of the 30K model support is from ForgeWorld, who make the game. They have a specific section on their webstore right here.

Games Workshop proper do provide some plastics, however. You can get plastic MK3 and MK4 power armour Space Marines, as well as Tartaros and Cataphracti pattern Terminators.

They also do an overpriced plastic Contemptor Dreadnought, but it's not very nice.

What's wrong with the plastic one? Also how is it overpriced if its cheaper than the Forge World one? I don't own one, just wondering.

Zarkro wrote:
What's wrong with the plastic one? Also how is it overpriced if its cheaper than the Forge World one? I don't own one, just wondering.

The plastic one is basically a single solid lump of plastic ] with no articulation and a severely limited weapon selection. If you want to repose it so it's doing something other than "standing straight up with its arms out or at its side" you have to hack it apart with a knife and glue it back together which is of a pain.

It's possible, but it still doesn't look as good as the resin one:

Would people have a big problem if I, for example, cut down a $35 40k Landspeeder to look like an $83 (plus shipping) 30k Landspeeder? I have a ton of plastic 30k infantry from the boxed games but I don't plan to buy $66 (plus shipping) Rhinos when I have $45 Rhinos. I also have bits to kitbash my own AL Headhunters.

Also FWIW I can get the 40k variants for 10% MSRP on Amazon. I haven't worked on my 30k army yet but I'm curious how many purists are going to have an issue with my way of using a little sweat equity and hobby skills to save myself sometimes $50 a model.

I encourage people to alter 40k models into 30k compliance - it feels right to me.
The craftsmanship can be a thing to behold sometimes and i'm sure you'd do it justice Fajita Fan!

I mainly convert ym stuff cuz I don't like workign with resin. There's a nice dreadclaw tutorial: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644526.page

And I've converted up some javelins out of regular land speeders in a similar manner to reaperman's drop pod land speeder tempest conversion.

SirDonlad wrote:I encourage people to alter 40k models into 30k compliance - it feels right to me.
The craftsmanship can be a thing to behold sometimes and i'm sure you'd do it justice Fajita Fan!

Good.

Danielle Rae wrote:I mainly convert ym stuff cuz I don't like workign with resin. There's a nice dreadclaw tutorial: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644526.page

And I've converted up some javelins out of regular land speeders in a similar manner to reaperman's drop pod land speeder tempest conversion.

This is what I'm talking about, while FW stuff looks cool it certainly doesn't look cool enough to be worth 2x-3x the cost of plastic 40k models.

 Danielle Rae wrote:
I mainly convert ym stuff cuz I don't like workign with resin. There's a nice dreadclaw tutorial: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/644526.page

And I've converted up some javelins out of regular land speeders in a similar manner to reaperman's drop pod land speeder tempest conversion.

How did you make Javelins? I love them but not at a £62 per model level.

Prepare yourself: forgeworld is more than expensive...