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Hi all

As the question says, can older Dreadnoughts be upgrade to Primaris status or have their bodies been too badly damaged to survive the transformation?

Thanks

Primaris Dreadnoughts seem to use the same sarcophagus. I’m sure they don’t transform the damaged body. No reason why some couldn’t be piloted by Oldstartes.

Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

I'm not a fan of this fluff, turning your injured and experienced veterans into Duracell Triple A Astartes batteries for your mechs.

awww, but they could use the phrase "cross the rubicon primaris" another forty thousand times in community articles if they did...and it seems like someone at GW gets paid every time they don't come up with a new way of saying someone has upgraded.

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

I'm not a fan of this fluff, turning your injured and experienced veterans into Duracell Triple A Astartes batteries for your mechs.

It really is just the old fluff turned up to 11. Mortally wounded? That’s no reason to stop fighting! No rest, no peace, only eternal war. No peaceful retirement out on the farm for you. Now they just added “If the enemy doesn’t kill you, your life support system eventually will” But still no quiet days feeding pidgins in the park.

I like to see some downsides to the new stuff. All the primaris stuff is bigger, faster, stronger than the old stuff with no drawbacks or downsides. It goes against the established grain of the grimdark setting. I wish the rest of the line was thrown a similar bone. Something like while the new primaris organs made better marines, it doubled rejection rates of aspirants. But that’s a cost the chapters were willing to pay for efficiency; life is cheep and plentiful, but they need the edge to survive in the increasingly hostile galaxy.

I think the redemptor is the only thing that has any cost for the new power. There should have been more.

Agree. Too bad that they can't have someone of prominence die when crossing the rubricon to show that it's in fact dangerous and not just a theoretical danger.

Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

LoftyS wrote:
Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

Windows XP to Windows Vista = upgrade

not sure many would argue that was an improvement

LoftyS wrote:
Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

I like how you made up your own definitions of words there using the same scenario for both.

 Jidmah wrote:
Agree. Too bad that they can't have someone of prominence die when crossing the rubricon to show that it's in fact dangerous and not just a theoretical danger.

In fairness, the (supposedly significant) chance of this happening is why the blood Angel primaris is mephiston, because Dante was going to and was told "not a bloody chance, we won't risk losing you" by the rest of the chapter...

We haven't yet seen it 'go wrong' yet in a mainstream chapter, though...

BrianDavion wrote:

LoftyS wrote:
Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

Windows XP to Windows Vista = upgrade

not sure many would argue that was an improvement

Poor Windows 8... never gets any love. Tho I suppose it is for best that the world forgets this abomination.

BrianDavion wrote:

LoftyS wrote:
Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

Windows XP to Windows Vista = upgrade

not sure many would argue that was an improvement

Vista at least added 64 bit support. Increasing the addressable memory limit. Which is a good thing, since Vista liked to use ALL. OF. IT.

So we're all in agreement then: Games Workshop should sacrifice Brother Captain Windux Vistavius as the first character to perish in his attempt to cross the Rubicon Primaris™

BrianDavion wrote:

LoftyS wrote:
Updated*

The word "upgrade" implies an improvement

Windows 7 to Windows 10 = Update

Windows Vista to Windows 7 = Upgrade

Windows XP to Windows Vista = upgrade

not sure many would argue that was an improvement

Downgrade. Vista was a dumpster fire of primaris or even - gasp- mortal realms proportions

 Ginjitzu wrote:
So we're all in agreement then: Games Workshop should sacrifice Brother Captain Windux Vistavius as the first character to perish in his attempt to cross the Rubicon Primaris™

... I nominate Cato Sicarius for this... Honour...

Get the in the fething chamber Sicarius...

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
So we're all in agreement then: Games Workshop should sacrifice Brother Captain Windux Vistavius as the first character to perish in his attempt to cross the Rubicon Primaris™

... I nominate Cato Sicarius for this... Honour...

Get the in the fething chamber Sicarius...

I nominate Matt Ward...but hey.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
So we're all in agreement then: Games Workshop should sacrifice Brother Captain Windux Vistavius as the first character to perish in his attempt to cross the Rubicon Primaris™

... I nominate Cato Sicarius for this... Honour...

Get the in the fething chamber Sicarius...

I nominate Matt Ward...but hey.

I nominate a Lamenter. The Lamenter's Chapter master tries to 'cross the rubicon' and dies on the table. He doesn't come back, so they have to put him in a primaris dreadnought to 'save his life'.

He suffered loss of brain function due to being dead for too long and is a shadow of himself, being slowly killed by the dread. He has moments of lucidity, where he seems his former self but this passes. The model is released as a package deal/formation with the dread and an apothecary, techmarine and a small Lamenters upgrade sprue.

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

I'm sure they'll solve this "problem" right around the time the other dreadnoughts get sent to Legends.

craggy wrote:
awww, but they could use the phrase "cross the rubicon primaris" another forty thousand times in community articles if they did...and it seems like someone at GW gets paid every time they don't come up with a new way of saying someone has upgraded.

Am I the only one who throws up in their mouth a little bit every time they read the phrase "cross the Rubicon Primaris"? It's gotta be most indulgent pretentious claptrap I've ever read in a 40k publication.

But I guess I'll forgive them if they find a way to work in the expression "the Rubicon Primaris is not just a river in Gyptus."

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

I'm sure they'll solve this "problem" right around the time the other dreadnoughts get sent to Legends.

craggy wrote:
awww, but they could use the phrase "cross the rubicon primaris" another forty thousand times in community articles if they did...and it seems like someone at GW gets paid every time they don't come up with a new way of saying someone has upgraded.

Am I the only one who throws up in their mouth a little bit every time they read the phrase "cross the Rubicon Primaris"? It's gotta be most indulgent pretentious claptrap I've ever read in a 40k publication.

But I guess I'll forgive them if they find a way to work in the expression "the Rubicon Primaris is not just a river in Gyptus."

if they're going to do that they should refer to a river in Italia which is where the Rubicon actually is IIRC

Indeed, it was in Italy. But Earth history is a wee bit off topic!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Am I the only one who throws up in their mouth a little bit every time they read the phrase "cross the Rubicon Primaris"? It's gotta be most indulgent pretentious claptrap I've ever read in a 40k publication.

Every time I read it, I imagine some shifty AdMech guys stuffing an oldmarine into a 10ft Rubric's cube and then chant prayers in faux-latin while twisting it around. After some time they open it, a primaris marine emerges and finds his hands to be too big for regular bolters.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
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craggy wrote:
awww, but they could use the phrase "cross the rubicon primaris" another forty thousand times in community articles if they did...and it seems like someone at GW gets paid every time they don't come up with a new way of saying someone has upgraded.

Am I the only one who throws up in their mouth a little bit every time they read the phrase "cross the Rubicon Primaris"? It's gotta be most indulgent pretentious claptrap I've ever read in a 40k publication.

But I guess I'll forgive them if they find a way to work in the expression "the Rubicon Primaris is not just a river in Gyptus."

I don't hate it in general. It's fine, but it's not something that needs repeated 2-3 times every time they talk about the concept.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
Don't the primaris dreads eventually die, unlike the old dreads?

The Redemptor chassis itself burns them out and eventually kills the pilot. This tidbit was introduced to waive away the inevitable, "Why don't the just upgrade all Dreads to Redemptors?" question.

I'm sure they'll solve this "problem" right around the time the other dreadnoughts get sent to Legends.

craggy wrote:
awww, but they could use the phrase "cross the rubicon primaris" another forty thousand times in community articles if they did...and it seems like someone at GW gets paid every time they don't come up with a new way of saying someone has upgraded.

Am I the only one who throws up in their mouth a little bit every time they read the phrase "cross the Rubicon Primaris"? It's gotta be most indulgent pretentious claptrap I've ever read in a 40k publication.

But I guess I'll forgive them if they find a way to work in the expression "the Rubicon Primaris is not just a river in Gyptus."

if they're going to do that they should refer to a river in Italia which is where the Rubicon actually is IIRC

Yes, but as we all know the Rubicon Primaris is in all our hearts.