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Danmark

hey friends

I recently started collecting warhammer 40k, and while i have a decent knowledge of the universe (having played a ton of their games through many years) i dont know much in the ways of actually playing tabletop.


So 2 months ago when Corona was about to start and my nation was bathed in nurgles rot (Corona) I decided to collect warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures with the intention of playing. So i went to my local store bought some Orks and now i have roughly around 580 points of assembled and painted bois and toys.

My over all question is, since i know nothing about the different books thats required to play thats come out over the years, what exactly is needed? what makes sense to get?


For starter i have my Ork codex, 8th edition. i feel like thats a no brainer. I also have the Rule book that states the over all rules.


Those are the books i have, what else do i "need"? Do i need Saga of the beast? Can i reliably create armies without having those rules lying around and stratagems? can i find them officially somewhere else? What about Psychic awakening?


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Im not from Romania. what the hell 
   
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You have everything you need

The one extra thing is Chapter Approved 2019, which has the most up to date point costs. But if you use a program like Battlescribe to make lists, or play with power levels/open games, it’s not required.

All the other stuff has nice extras, and will make you more competitive and have more options, but you don’t need it.

Rules for new units should be in their boxes. I’m not an Ork player, so I’m not sure exactly what is where that you might want.

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Yeah, the only rules for Orks that aren't in the codex IIRC are in Psychic Awakening: Something Something Beast.

Those rules are pretty good/fun, especially if you like vehicles, they are optional though.

And as Nevelon said, you could get CA2019 if you're not going to use Battlescribe for some reason. Occasionally people on here get super butthurt about battlescribe because it is a community curated source so, like wikipedia, occasionally contains human errors. not often, but sometimes, particularly around when there's a big shakeup like a Chapter Approved or new codex for your army.
   
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Danmark

Hey guys thanks for the reply.


I do use battlescribe as my math is horrible so that app has helped me calculate the points of my army.


So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?


because what i get next in terms of models, is very much influenced by what stratagems and rules i want to go for to make a decent army. Does that mean i should get those 2 books so i know the rules and such?

because yes i dont want a somewhat competitive army.

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Saga of the Beast is a sub-book of psychic awakening, and is only one book.

CA2019 also has cool missions, but is not required. I don't use battlescribe, so CA2019 is more required for me.

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Look at the Erata links and PDFs on the Warhammer Digital site first. Lots of the rules are in there, as GW messed up so many of the original publications. Look for any referenced to Orks in the sections listed.
There will be Facebook groups and similar on what Orks need to have, and where to get them. They can tell you which stratagems are worth using, and where they are published.
As mentioned, Battlescribe has nearly all of the options listed, and shows which books those rules come from. Points too, but be sure to know what the points should be, in case of update errors. They do creep into Battlescribe from time to time. The same with unit options, have a way to check them.
The rulebook, the latest codex, and CA2019 are the minimum you'll need.

Also, look in the tournaments section for past rankings. See what they used, and whether there is a battle report on how they used it.

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 Nevelon wrote:
You have everything you need

The one extra thing is Chapter Approved 2019, which has the most up to date point costs. But if you use a program like Battlescribe to make lists, or play with power levels/open games, it’s not required.

All the other stuff has nice extras, and will make you more competitive and have more options, but you don’t need it.

Rules for new units should be in their boxes. I’m not an Ork player, so I’m not sure exactly what is where that you might want.


didn't the PA give orks units they have to take, but have no rules in the codex or CA? So practicaly orcs can't be played without the CA book.

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Karol wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
You have everything you need

The one extra thing is Chapter Approved 2019, which has the most up to date point costs. But if you use a program like Battlescribe to make lists, or play with power levels/open games, it’s not required.

All the other stuff has nice extras, and will make you more competitive and have more options, but you don’t need it.

Rules for new units should be in their boxes. I’m not an Ork player, so I’m not sure exactly what is where that you might want.


didn't the PA give orks units they have to take, but have no rules in the codex or CA? So practicaly orcs can't be played without the CA book.


I don’y play orks, so gain of salt.

I don’t think there is any unit that MUST be taken. For some armies in some editions, there were mandatory choices, but I don’t think there are these days. At there units that you really want to take if you are playing at top-table levels? Probably. But most people don’t play at that level. By the time someone getting into the game is playing top-tier, the units that it takes to do so are going to be different then they are now.

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Karol wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
You have everything you need

The one extra thing is Chapter Approved 2019, which has the most up to date point costs. But if you use a program like Battlescribe to make lists, or play with power levels/open games, it’s not required.

All the other stuff has nice extras, and will make you more competitive and have more options, but you don’t need it.

Rules for new units should be in their boxes. I’m not an Ork player, so I’m not sure exactly what is where that you might want.


didn't the PA give orks units they have to take, but have no rules in the codex or CA? So practicaly orcs can't be played without the CA book.


I'm not an Ork player, so I'm not certain, but Karol, I think Gaz and Makari are the only new units in Saga of the Beast. As pointed out, rules for these units should be in the box, but that's almost a moot point because right now, the only way to buy those models is as part of the PA boxed set anyway.

There will be additional strats and traits for Orks in the book as well, and for now, PA is the only place where those rules exist. If each army ends up getting a 2.0 dex, some of that content will likely be added, but we have no idea when or even if that will happen.

OP, another place to look for advice might be Bolter and Chainsword. They are a pure 40k forum, so they actually have dedicated subforums for every faction, which means you can guarantee that your questions get to Ork players. Because Dakka is also a forum for games outside the GW family, they don't have faction specific forums, and you'll also find that some people who frequent this particular Dakka subforum are people who don't particularly like 40k, or at least not this edition of it. Bolter and Chainsword isn't necessarily as high traffic as this forum tends to be- partially because it's broken down into subforum by faction, so I use both. There is always lively discussion here on Dakka, but I tend to ask army specific questions mostly on B&C.

   
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Danmark

What about Faith and Fury?

i see. ill try there.

Also on a note, i DO have the Ork units from Prophecy of the Beast, which means i have thraka and makari and that, but i didnt get the book. i bought it from a dude but he kept the book (which i knew from the get go).

i havent painted those guys yet, but i also dont really have their rules.

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Beardedragon wrote:
hey friends

I recently started collecting warhammer 40k, and while i have a decent knowledge of the universe (having played a ton of their games through many years) i dont know much in the ways of actually playing tabletop.


So 2 months ago when Corona was about to start and my nation was bathed in nurgles rot (Corona) I decided to collect warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures with the intention of playing. So i went to my local store bought some Orks and now i have roughly around 580 points of assembled and painted bois and toys.

My over all question is, since i know nothing about the different books thats required to play thats come out over the years, what exactly is needed? what makes sense to get?


For starter i have my Ork codex, 8th edition. i feel like thats a no brainer. I also have the Rule book that states the over all rules.


Those are the books i have, what else do i "need"? Do i need Saga of the beast? Can i reliably create armies without having those rules lying around and stratagems? can i find them officially somewhere else? What about Psychic awakening?



You technically "need" the Big Rule Book, Chapter Approved, and Your Codex. Optionally, you may also "need" Saga of the Beast and Vigilus Defiant for additional options and rules that you may want to use.

If someone in your playgroup has CA and the BRB, you can entirely get away with not buying them. Knowing the BRB becomes second nature really fast, and CA is just missions and points costs update usually which you also only really need one copy of to share.


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Beardedragon wrote:
What about Faith and Fury?


Faith an Fury [and all the other PA books] have nothing for orks in them

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
hey friends

I recently started collecting warhammer 40k, and while i have a decent knowledge of the universe (having played a ton of their games through many years) i dont know much in the ways of actually playing tabletop.


So 2 months ago when Corona was about to start and my nation was bathed in nurgles rot (Corona) I decided to collect warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures with the intention of playing. So i went to my local store bought some Orks and now i have roughly around 580 points of assembled and painted bois and toys.

My over all question is, since i know nothing about the different books thats required to play thats come out over the years, what exactly is needed? what makes sense to get?


For starter i have my Ork codex, 8th edition. i feel like thats a no brainer. I also have the Rule book that states the over all rules.


Those are the books i have, what else do i "need"? Do i need Saga of the beast? Can i reliably create armies without having those rules lying around and stratagems? can i find them officially somewhere else? What about Psychic awakening?



You technically "need" the Big Rule Book, Chapter Approved, and Your Codex. Optionally, you may also "need" Saga of the Beast and Vigilus Defiant for additional options and rules that you may want to use.

If someone in your playgroup has CA and the BRB, you can entirely get away with not buying them. Knowing the BRB becomes second nature really fast, and CA is just missions and points costs update usually which you also only really need one copy of to share.


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Beardedragon wrote:
What about Faith and Fury?


Faith an Fury [and all the other PA books] have nothing for orks in them


so.. how exactly does one know before hand if those special books contain Ork stuff?

Im not from Romania. what the hell 
   
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Beardedragon wrote:
 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
hey friends

I recently started collecting warhammer 40k, and while i have a decent knowledge of the universe (having played a ton of their games through many years) i dont know much in the ways of actually playing tabletop.


So 2 months ago when Corona was about to start and my nation was bathed in nurgles rot (Corona) I decided to collect warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures with the intention of playing. So i went to my local store bought some Orks and now i have roughly around 580 points of assembled and painted bois and toys.

My over all question is, since i know nothing about the different books thats required to play thats come out over the years, what exactly is needed? what makes sense to get?


For starter i have my Ork codex, 8th edition. i feel like thats a no brainer. I also have the Rule book that states the over all rules.


Those are the books i have, what else do i "need"? Do i need Saga of the beast? Can i reliably create armies without having those rules lying around and stratagems? can i find them officially somewhere else? What about Psychic awakening?



You technically "need" the Big Rule Book, Chapter Approved, and Your Codex. Optionally, you may also "need" Saga of the Beast and Vigilus Defiant for additional options and rules that you may want to use.

If someone in your playgroup has CA and the BRB, you can entirely get away with not buying them. Knowing the BRB becomes second nature really fast, and CA is just missions and points costs update usually which you also only really need one copy of to share.


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Beardedragon wrote:
What about Faith and Fury?


Faith an Fury [and all the other PA books] have nothing for orks in them


so.. how exactly does one know before hand if those special books contain Ork stuff?


It says on GW's website or on the back cover of the book

For example, on "The Greater Good" it says "- Expanded army rules for the T’au Empire, Astra Militarum and Genestealer Cults, including Warlord Traits, Stratagems, Relics, and psychic powers". It has Tau, Guard, and GSC rules, but no Ork rules.
On Saga of the Beast, it says "- Expanded army rules for the Space Wolves – including the deadly new Primaris version of Ragnar Blackmane - Expanded army rules for the Orks – including the new datasheet for Ghazghkull Thraka (who is not just back, but more powerful than ever!) and his plucky grot banner bearer, Makari". It has Space Wolves, and Orks.

Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades! 
   
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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Beardedragon wrote:
hey friends

I recently started collecting warhammer 40k, and while i have a decent knowledge of the universe (having played a ton of their games through many years) i dont know much in the ways of actually playing tabletop.


So 2 months ago when Corona was about to start and my nation was bathed in nurgles rot (Corona) I decided to collect warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures with the intention of playing. So i went to my local store bought some Orks and now i have roughly around 580 points of assembled and painted bois and toys.

My over all question is, since i know nothing about the different books thats required to play thats come out over the years, what exactly is needed? what makes sense to get?


For starter i have my Ork codex, 8th edition. i feel like thats a no brainer. I also have the Rule book that states the over all rules.


Those are the books i have, what else do i "need"? Do i need Saga of the beast? Can i reliably create armies without having those rules lying around and stratagems? can i find them officially somewhere else? What about Psychic awakening?



You technically "need" the Big Rule Book, Chapter Approved, and Your Codex. Optionally, you may also "need" Saga of the Beast and Vigilus Defiant for additional options and rules that you may want to use.

If someone in your playgroup has CA and the BRB, you can entirely get away with not buying them. Knowing the BRB becomes second nature really fast, and CA is just missions and points costs update usually which you also only really need one copy of to share.


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Beardedragon wrote:
What about Faith and Fury?


Faith an Fury [and all the other PA books] have nothing for orks in them


so.. how exactly does one know before hand if those special books contain Ork stuff?


It says on GW's website or on the back cover of the book

For example, on "The Greater Good" it says "- Expanded army rules for the T’au Empire, Astra Militarum and Genestealer Cults, including Warlord Traits, Stratagems, Relics, and psychic powers". It has Tau, Guard, and GSC rules, but no Ork rules.
On Saga of the Beast, it says "- Expanded army rules for the Space Wolves – including the deadly new Primaris version of Ragnar Blackmane - Expanded army rules for the Orks – including the new datasheet for Ghazghkull Thraka (who is not just back, but more powerful than ever!) and his plucky grot banner bearer, Makari". It has Space Wolves, and Orks.


So.. i should get saga of the beast, also because i have Prophecy of the wolf, the ork part but lack the actual book that tells me about the stats for thraka and makari.

And also maybe vigilus defi-something as well?

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Beardedragon wrote:


So.. i should get saga of the beast, also because i have Prophecy of the wolf, the ork part but lack the actual book that tells me about the stats for thraka and makari.

And also maybe vigilus defi-something as well?


Prophecy of the Wolf doesn't even come with Ghazskull's rules or a copy of Saga of the Beast. That's kind of lame. That said, yeah, you're going to need Saga of the Beast to play Ghaz and Makari.

Prophecy should also have come with a little rules pamphlet, so you may not need the BRB. It has the detachments and deploy patterns in it, but if you know those then the only other part of it that you need is in the little rules pamphlet.



Vigilus Defiant has a couple of options for the orks if you want them as well.

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:


Prophecy of the Wolf doesn't even come with Ghazskull's rules or a copy of Saga of the Beast. That's kind of lame. That said, yeah, you're going to need Saga of the Beast to play Ghaz and Makari.

.


I belive it does but he's just got the mini's proably purchased off someone for cheap or he split with a friend and he didn't get the book. (GW actually should with boxed sets like those just put datacards in the box instead of tying them up in a book)

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This will probably help: https://www.goonhammer.com/rules-and-where-to-find-them/



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Beardedragon wrote:

So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?


Of course there is. But telling where is a promotion of piracy, etc etc blah blah blah....
   
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Beardedragon wrote:



So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?



not in full for free, but there are going to be various reviews of Saga of the Beast that at least will tell you what the "big winners" are.

from what Little I've heard, "Ghaz isn't all that great" and there's a strat that allows you to super charge a warboss or big mek

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PenitentJake wrote:

I'm not an Ork player, so I'm not certain, but Karol, I think Gaz and Makari are the only new units in Saga of the Beast. As pointed out, rules for these units should be in the box, but that's almost a moot point because right now, the only way to buy those models is as part of the PA boxed set anyway.

There will be additional strats and traits for Orks in the book as well, and for now, PA is the only place where those rules exist. If each army ends up getting a 2.0 dex, some of that content will likely be added, but we have no idea when or even if that will happen.

OP, another place to look for advice might be Bolter and Chainsword. They are a pure 40k forum, so they actually have dedicated subforums for every faction, which means you can guarantee that your questions get to Ork players. Because Dakka is also a forum for games outside the GW family, they don't have faction specific forums, and you'll also find that some people who frequent this particular Dakka subforum are people who don't particularly like 40k, or at least not this edition of it. Bolter and Chainsword isn't necessarily as high traffic as this forum tends to be- partially because it's broken down into subforum by faction, so I use both. There is always lively discussion here on Dakka, but I tend to ask army specific questions mostly on B&C.



Codex won't be in here for a while and you are seriously gimping yourself out without it. Standard GW codex creep. Sure technically you don't NEED it. But your chances of winning will pummel down.

Marines don't technically need supplement either. Seen many iron hands play without it though? Free bonuses with no drawback(apart from cost in money). Would be silly to play without one.


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Beardedragon wrote:
So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?

.


Sure. Does opponent believe your printout etc of easily faked rules? Or simply say either you dont' use your suspicious printout/claim from reading internet or there's no game...

Battlescribe? That data is easily faked. If you trust only that I'm sure you are happy to play vs my IG with assault 2 S5 -1 lasguns with 3 pts infantry. See? Battlescribe says so! It must be so!

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tneva82 wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

I'm not an Ork player, so I'm not certain, but Karol, I think Gaz and Makari are the only new units in Saga of the Beast. As pointed out, rules for these units should be in the box, but that's almost a moot point because right now, the only way to buy those models is as part of the PA boxed set anyway.

There will be additional strats and traits for Orks in the book as well, and for now, PA is the only place where those rules exist. If each army ends up getting a 2.0 dex, some of that content will likely be added, but we have no idea when or even if that will happen.

OP, another place to look for advice might be Bolter and Chainsword. They are a pure 40k forum, so they actually have dedicated subforums for every faction, which means you can guarantee that your questions get to Ork players. Because Dakka is also a forum for games outside the GW family, they don't have faction specific forums, and you'll also find that some people who frequent this particular Dakka subforum are people who don't particularly like 40k, or at least not this edition of it. Bolter and Chainsword isn't necessarily as high traffic as this forum tends to be- partially because it's broken down into subforum by faction, so I use both. There is always lively discussion here on Dakka, but I tend to ask army specific questions mostly on B&C.



Codex won't be in here for a while and you are seriously gimping yourself out without it. Standard GW codex creep. Sure technically you don't NEED it. But your chances of winning will pummel down.

Marines don't technically need supplement either. Seen many iron hands play without it though? Free bonuses with no drawback(apart from cost in money). Would be silly to play without one.


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Beardedragon wrote:
So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?

.


Sure. Does opponent believe your printout etc of easily faked rules? Or simply say either you dont' use your suspicious printout/claim from reading internet or there's no game...

Battlescribe? That data is easily faked. If you trust only that I'm sure you are happy to play vs my IG with assault 2 S5 -1 lasguns with 3 pts infantry. See? Battlescribe says so! It must be so!


i wouldnt march up to a dude and say battlescribe says my boys are X number worth and tell him thats how it is. Im new to the game dude, if he corrected me in some numbers that were wrong id literally believe him on the spot.

But being new also means i might calculate things wrong, so battlescribe is probably my best bet to getting the correct numbers as it stands.


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tneva82 wrote:
Battlescribe? That data is easily faked. If you trust only that I'm sure you are happy to play vs my IG with assault 2 S5 -1 lasguns with 3 pts infantry. See? Battlescribe says so! It must be so!

As others have pointed out before when you made this exact same argument, if you were to tell me something that ridiculous I'd simply check my battlescribe on my phone and know that you were lying, and politely refuse to play you.

See, battlescribe works just fine.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

Battlescribe? That data is easily faked. If you trust only that I'm sure you are happy to play vs my IG with assault 2 S5 -1 lasguns with 3 pts infantry. See? Battlescribe says so! It must be so!


This is the biggest reach I've ever seen.

 
   
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So much half-knowledge and incomplete answers here...

So, full list of ork rules right now, sorted by importance:

Codex: Orks (mandatory)
Relevant rules: Datasheets, Stratagems, Cultures, Relics, Psychic Powers, Warlord Traits

Chapter Approved 2019 (mandatory, but can be substituted by list building software)
Relevant rules: Points, Missions

Saga of the Beast (optional, but you should really get this ASAP)
Relevant rules: Ghazghkull Thrakka, Makari, Big Mek with Kustom Force Field, Kustom Jobs, Specialist Mobs, Clan Psychic Powers, Stratagems

Vigilus Defiant (optional, suggested for competitive play)
Relevant rules: Kult of Speed and Dread Mob specialist detachments, SSAG relic

Index: Xenos 2 (optional, suggested for competitive play)
Relevant rules: Warboss on Warbike (currently left in limbo due to transitioning from GW to FW rulebooks, everything else in this book is obsolete)

Imperial Armour: Xenos (optional, soon to be replaced)
Relevant rules: Mek Boss Buzzgob, Zhadsnark da Ripper, Chinork Warkopta, Grot Tank, Grot Mega-tank, Big Trakk, Squiggoth, Gargantuan Squiggoth, Meka Dread, Kustom Stompa, Kill Tank, Battlewagon with Supa-kannon, Lifta Wagon

Warhammer Legends (optional)
Relevant rules: Da Red Gobbo, MA Warboss, Big Mek on Warbike, Painboy on Warbike, Big Guns, weapon options for Mek and Koptas
Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/7661dd41.pdf

Prophecy of the Wolf (optional, comes with the box)
Relevant rules: Ghazghkull Thrakka, Makari, MANz, Nobz

Chapter Approved 2018 (optional, open play only)
Relevant rules: Looted Wagons

FAQ Imperial Armour Index Xenos (optional, open play only, OOP FW models)
Relevant rules: Grot Bomm Launcha, Attack Fighta, Fighta-bommer, Dethrolla Battle Fortress, Kill Krusha
Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/imperial_armour_index_xenos-1.pdf

And, comming soon:
White Dwarf June 2020 (optional, open play only)
Relevant rules: Grukk Face-Rippa, Skrak's Skull-Nobz, Goff Rokka

And to answer the original question, what do you really need out of all those to play?
1) Codex: Orks, because all the rules are in there
2) Saga of the Beast, because it provides a meaningful upgrade to the existing codex that is both fun and powerful
With those two you have all the rules to play everything you can buy on GW's main website.

If you have any further questions, dakka's orks can be found here: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/9750/767149.page
Don't bother reading the whole thread, just have a look at the first post and then ask away

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Yes, because everyone lines up on the deployment line when facing off against orkz, especially when said orkz are fielding 3 Bonebreakers...which rely exclusively on getting into CC to inflict any kind of actual harm. All of your arguments rely upon your opponent being a brain dead muppet who just lets you maul him.


Yea...that's called board control.
 
   
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Beardedragon wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
PenitentJake wrote:

I'm not an Ork player, so I'm not certain, but Karol, I think Gaz and Makari are the only new units in Saga of the Beast. As pointed out, rules for these units should be in the box, but that's almost a moot point because right now, the only way to buy those models is as part of the PA boxed set anyway.

There will be additional strats and traits for Orks in the book as well, and for now, PA is the only place where those rules exist. If each army ends up getting a 2.0 dex, some of that content will likely be added, but we have no idea when or even if that will happen.

OP, another place to look for advice might be Bolter and Chainsword. They are a pure 40k forum, so they actually have dedicated subforums for every faction, which means you can guarantee that your questions get to Ork players. Because Dakka is also a forum for games outside the GW family, they don't have faction specific forums, and you'll also find that some people who frequent this particular Dakka subforum are people who don't particularly like 40k, or at least not this edition of it. Bolter and Chainsword isn't necessarily as high traffic as this forum tends to be- partially because it's broken down into subforum by faction, so I use both. There is always lively discussion here on Dakka, but I tend to ask army specific questions mostly on B&C.



Codex won't be in here for a while and you are seriously gimping yourself out without it. Standard GW codex creep. Sure technically you don't NEED it. But your chances of winning will pummel down.

Marines don't technically need supplement either. Seen many iron hands play without it though? Free bonuses with no drawback(apart from cost in money). Would be silly to play without one.


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Beardedragon wrote:
So let me get it straight, theres no otherwise place i can read, online the stratagems and new rules for Orks, from saga of the beast and Psychic awakening?

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Sure. Does opponent believe your printout etc of easily faked rules? Or simply say either you dont' use your suspicious printout/claim from reading internet or there's no game...

Battlescribe? That data is easily faked. If you trust only that I'm sure you are happy to play vs my IG with assault 2 S5 -1 lasguns with 3 pts infantry. See? Battlescribe says so! It must be so!


i wouldnt march up to a dude and say battlescribe says my boys are X number worth and tell him thats how it is. Im new to the game dude, if he corrected me in some numbers that were wrong id literally believe him on the spot.

But being new also means i might calculate things wrong, so battlescribe is probably my best bet to getting the correct numbers as it stands.



When I said people are going to jump into the thread and reeeeeeeeeeeee when I suggested you use Battlescribe for points, I was...maybe specifically referring to one guy with a blue and white flag next to his name that does that any time battlescribe is mentioned.

There are particular triggers for particular active posters on this forum. Frankly, I'm surprised a certain other someone hasn't turned up to tell you that you need to buy 645 different books for a total of 1,235,267USD to play a game of Warhammer 40k 8th Edition PROPERLY AND CORRECTLY.

If you want to know the content of Saga of the Beast for orks beforehand, one could probably type into google Orks Tactics 8E and click on the first link, and then in that Wiki Style Page you just found click on the link in the contents bar that says "Kustom Jobs".
   
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Right behind you.

Beardedragon wrote:

so.. how exactly does one know before hand if those special books contain Ork stuff?

Warhammer Community's page did previews of these books as they were announced.
The product page for the item lists what is in them.

They don't give you the exact details or the like, but they give you enough to know what is present.

And since Battlescribe has been mentioned(alongside the typical trolling/flamebaiting towards people who don't like it or advise against using it when starting out), do note that the objections to it tend to be based upon some specific things:
Some people treat it as a 1:1 replacement for codices/rules, and slavishly stick with what the program allows for them to do. Given that it's a 'fan driven' thing, mistakes can and do happen...and sometimes those mistakes don't get fixed for significant amounts of time leading people to think that everything is 100% right all the time.

Battlescribe has a large following simply because it has points rather than Power(which is what GW's official thing does), specific unit details, and is mandated by some tournament organizers in the US for list submissions.
   
 
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