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I know the basics of warp presence equals emotion and a soul and therefore blanks are soulless. I've heard tau have some soul (possibly some emotion).

How do genestealer cults or the hive mind of the tyranids appear in the warp.

What about psykers specifically?

Do tau ethereals appear differently in the warp than other tau?

How does an ork waaagh appear in the warp due to their collective waaagh! Energy?

Since nulls lack emotions do psykers experience it far more intensely?

Do tau have weaker emotions? Does the greater goods indoctrination and similar suppress tau emotions and possibly their soul? What about kroot and other life forms on tau worlds? Are they ever psychic or experience chaos corruption?

I hear eldar suppress emotions. Does emotion suppression lessen a being's soul or does it merely not shine so brightly in the warp to daemons?

Also what's so special about Blackstone and its relationship to holding warp energy in check if not pushing it back?

My understanding:

Tyranids have been refered to as- the shadow in the warp.

I remember reading this explained to basically mean like a literal ever encompassing shadow unlike blanks who seem to be "empty" space.

Any Eldar soul not protected by a soul stone ,shine as bright as a baboons a hole in the warp.

Blaskstone - I have a theory its some old ones/cabal tech. Seem to share that with necrons. However it doesn't seem to work against faith..

Could well be wrong or outdated.

The warp is literally a realm of pure (unreal) energy that reflects the emotions, etc., of the real world. The idea of daemons and such is in the eye of the behold. The human mind can't comprehend what it is looking at, so it gives form to the denizens of the warp (or, alternatively, the daemons present themselves to humans in a way designed to terrorize them). Since daemons play on the fears of whatever is beholding them, it stands to reason that alien races see daemons in different way (how different would depend on the alien).

 Grumblewartz wrote:
The warp is literally a realm of pure (unreal) energy that reflects the emotions, etc., of the real world. The idea of daemons and such is in the eye of the behold. The human mind can't comprehend what it is looking at, so it gives form to the denizens of the warp (or, alternatively, the daemons present themselves to humans in a way designed to terrorize them). Since daemons play on the fears of whatever is beholding them, it stands to reason that alien races see daemons in different way (how different would depend on the alien).

I like your explanation except that the warp doesn’t reflect emotion, it is made of emotion. That’s what makes it so hard to comprehend.

it's like water. can be calm, can be tumultuous, can be soft, can be hard, can give life, can take it away.

Think of it more as of an abstraction than anything else.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I know the basics of warp presence equals emotion and a soul and therefore blanks are soulless. I've heard tau have some soul (possibly some emotion).

1)How do genestealer cults or the hive mind of the tyranids appear in the warp.

2)What about psykers specifically?

3)Do tau ethereals appear differently in the warp than other tau?

4)How does an ork waaagh appear in the warp due to their collective waaagh! Energy?

5)Since nulls lack emotions do psykers experience it far more intensely?

6) Do tau have weaker emotions? Does the greater goods indoctrination and similar suppress tau emotions and possibly their soul? What about kroot and other life forms on tau worlds? Are they ever psychic or experience chaos corruption?

7) I hear eldar suppress emotions. Does emotion suppression lessen a being's soul or does it merely not shine so brightly in the warp to daemons?

8) Also what's so special about Blackstone and its relationship to holding warp energy in check if not pushing it back?

1) my understanding is that cultist appear normally or nearly-normally, but true nids "black out" the warp, by some mechanism. possibly quelling it by turning it into a single emotion/desire ie pure hunger? or maybe just the sheer psychic energy blanks out other lights?

2) I think they appear "brighter" in the warp, its what draws deamons to them. I assume part of psyker sanctioning is learning to both hide your power form the warp and to protect yourself if you are found

3) Not heard anything either way on this one, but i assume its in line with regular tau, if possibly distinct enough to be recognisable.

4) nothing official, but i imagine it would be like the orks: a massive, angry ball of hatred and aggression.

5) no, i dont think so. However, they might be more vulnerable if states of high emotion so they may deliberatly act to suppress emotions (after all, is all about self control)

6) my understanding is that the tau are not "invisable" in the warp, but rather like modern day humans: they just dont have a way to interact and control the Warp, but could still be affected by it. I think the Greater Good philosophy is no better or worse than the Imperial Creed as a method of protecting yourself IE it works for some, but not for others. Given the alien nature of the Tau, its not clear that a chaos corruption would manifest in the same way, and its quite possible we just dont hear about it when it does (ie the news is suppressed).

7)the latter. The eldar are a bit like the Vulcans in this regard: they actually have very strong emotions naturally, but are supressing them by force of will. they live in a highly structured and ordered society in order to prevent the excesses that lead to the birth of Slanessh and the Fall of the Eldar.

8) not a freaking clue, its freaky xeno-archeotech. its a literal black box techology we just dont understand.

On Tyranids, the way I see it, the shadow in the warp is caused by masses of psychic communication in the swarm.

I think of it like radio waves. The masses of communications Tyranids put out mask and obscure other communications. Tyranids are basically jamming other psychic communications.

Sort of like trying to talk to someone while a large crowd around you keeps yelling and screaming.

I think its like the hive mind is basically this overpowering presence in the warp where its, single mindedness and emotionless collective consciousness just devours the warp like everything else..

 Argive wrote:
I think its like the hive mind is basically this overpowering presence in the warp where its, single mindedness and emotionless collective consciousness just devours the warp like everything else..

You could argue that the hive Mind is the only god of order that exists and it's this opposition to the very existence of chaos that makes it cast such a big shadow over the warp wherever Tyranids appear.

Despite the core emotion that fuels each god, they are still chaos.

The hive Mind is very ordered, every part focused on a single goal, the whole acting with absolute certitude. And as they move as a group, they are concentrated.

So you've got concentrated, dense ORDER moving through the chaotic immaterium, becalming it and shadowing the tumultuous power of the gods.

Ehhhh... I don't know... it's a nice sounding theory, especially as Tyranids seemingly lack individual emotion - but to me there's too much entropy in how the Hive Mind evolves and reacts to changes in circumstances.
If anything I would have said that old-school Necrons would be the closest to a force for Order, before they got their personalities and idiosyncracies. In fact there might be an argument there for THEIR (perhaps limited) abilities of warp disruption.

 Super Ready wrote:
Ehhhh... I don't know... it's a nice sounding theory, especially as Tyranids seemingly lack individual emotion - but to me there's too much entropy in how the Hive Mind evolves and reacts to changes in circumstances.
If anything I would have said that old-school Necrons would be the closest to a force for Order, before they got their personalities and idiosyncracies. In fact there might be an argument there for THEIR (perhaps limited) abilities of warp disruption.

there is no other gestalt of energy in the warp with the same characteristics. It's wholly unique. The necrons don't matter as they have no warp presence.

So as of the 41st millennium, the only warp entity with the size and presence of a god that has those characteristics is the hive mind.