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Hey all,
Thought of this list the other day, and wondering what you all think? This is pretty much a guard list focused on assault with some big guns in the back. The commisar is the warlord (not an officer) so he can order the conscripts around. I splashed in a couple warglaives in for a bit more melee punch. The sentinel power lifters with a command point get to advance, charge, and hit on 2+ and get more attacks from straken. 80 guard bodies to drown the field with str 4 punching. Bullgryns to do what bullgryns do and a few big guns in the back to hold obj and shoot.


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [86 PL, 10CP, 1,688pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Catachan

+ Stratagems +

Imperial Commander's Armoury [-1CP]: 1 additional Heirloom of Conquest

Tank Ace [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken [4 PL, 80pts]: Display Astra Militarum Orders

Company Commander [2 PL, 35pts]: Chainsword, Laspistol, Relic: The Laurels of Command

Lord Commissar [3 PL, 42pts]: Bolt pistol, Power sword, Relic: The Blade of Conquest, Warlord, WT: Master of Command

+ Troops +

Conscripts [5 PL, 150pts]
. 30x Conscript: 30x Lasgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

+ Elites +

Astropath [2 PL, 25pts]: Telepathica Stave

Astropath [2 PL, 25pts]: Telepathica Stave

Bullgryns [15 PL, 387pts]
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn Bone 'ead: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul

Ministorum Priest [2 PL, 40pts]: Autogun, Chainsword

+ Heavy Support +

Leman Russ Conquerors [22 PL, 324pts]
. Leman Russ Conqueror: Conqueror Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter
. Leman Russ Conqueror: Conqueror Battle Cannon, Heavy Bolter

Manticore [8 PL, 145pts]: Full Payload, Heavy Bolter

Sentinel Powerlifters [6 PL, 135pts]: Sentinel Powerlifter, Sentinel Powerlifter, Sentinel Powerlifter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [16 PL, 310pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Household Choice: Questor Imperialis
. House Griffith

+ Lord of War +

Armiger Warglaives [16 PL, 310pts]
. Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber
. Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber

++ Total: [102 PL, 10CP, 1,998pts] ++

Since you’re going for an assault based Catachan army I’d say mission accomplished. There’s been a lot of talk since 8th landed about such an army, I’m not sure how viable it is though.

I’d consider replacing at least some of the meltaguns in your Infantry Squads with plasma guns. I just don’t think that a lone meltagun surrounded by lasguns will do much. This might just be my personal bias though.

My other concern is that I’m not sure you need 9 Bullgryns. It’s a lot of points, and 5 or 6 Bullgryns might get the job done just as well. I would drop a couple of them and spend the points on something shooty. Maybe even a Heavy Weapons Squad or two.

Having said that I think this list is worth playing with as it is. Would be interested to know how it performs

meltas are good. For an assault army of catachans, however, never omit the one flamer you need to pass the order "burn them out" so all the lasguns don't get gimped by enemy cover saves against that one target the enemy wished you didn't kill.

I'm pretty sure the Sentinel Power Lifter has been moved to Legends.

I like the list otherwise! With the embedded special weapon you won't get as much out of FRFSRF

Made some changes, then saw your response fisheyes. What would you change with those 25 saved points?

What changed from last version was I dropped 3 bullgryns and split it into 2 squads. Added coteaz. Shifted heirlooms around to be more melee oriented. Added lascannon to the leman russ. Thiught if i was losing the Melee from those bull's, added the melee of coteaz and mammoth tusk. Coteaz can then provide mortal wounds and 5+ invul saves

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [86 PL, 10CP, 1,677pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Regimental Doctrine: Regiment: Catachan

+ Stratagems +

Tank Ace [-1CP]

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Inquisitor Coteaz [5 PL, -1CP, 95pts]: 6) Castigation, Malleus - Power Through Knowledge, Stratagem: Inquisitorial Mandate, Warlord

+ HQ +

Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken [4 PL, 80pts]: Display Astra Militarum Orders

Company Commander [2 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol, Power sword, Relic (Catachan): Mamorth Tuskblade

Lord Commissar [3 PL, 45pts]: Plasma pistol, Power sword, Relic: The Blade of Conquest, Warlord, WT: Master of Command

+ Troops +

Conscripts [5 PL, 150pts]
. 30x Conscript: 30x Lasgun

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 60pts]
. 8x Guardsman: 8x Lasgun
. Guardsman W/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Sergeant: Laspistol, Power sword

+ Elites +

Astropath [2 PL, 25pts]: Psychic Barrier, Telepathica Stave

Astropath [2 PL, 25pts]: Nightshroud, Telepathica Stave

Bullgryns [5 PL, 129pts]
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn Bone 'ead: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul

Bullgryns [5 PL, 129pts]
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul
. Bullgryn Bone 'ead: Brute Shield, Bullgryn Maul

Ministorum Priest [2 PL, 40pts]: Autogun, Chainsword

+ Heavy Support +

Leman Russ Conquerors [22 PL, 334pts]
. Leman Russ Conqueror: Conqueror Battle Cannon, Lascannon
. Leman Russ Conqueror: Conqueror Battle Cannon, Lascannon

Manticore [8 PL, 145pts]: Full Payload, Heavy Bolter

Sentinel Powerlifters [6 PL, 135pts]: Sentinel Powerlifter, Sentinel Powerlifter, Sentinel Powerlifter

++ Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Imperial Knights) [16 PL, 320pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Household Choice: Questor Imperialis
. House Griffith

+ Lord of War +

Armiger Warglaives [16 PL, 320pts]
. Armiger Warglaive: Meltagun
. Armiger Warglaive: Meltagun

++ Total: [102 PL, 10CP, 1,997pts] ++

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The sentinels are still in the list.

Generally you dont want 3 psykers in your list. Gives up both Assasinate and Abhor The Witch, making it easy for the opponent to pick secondaries

I get that they may move into legends, however, until they do i will operate as if they have not. Ive seen plenty of rumors like this not come true. Also, there hasn't been a legends update in 1.5 years since it first came out. Is that definitive proof? No. But I'll treat them as legends when they become legends.

That said, good point on 3 psyker characters. The idea was to create some crazy tough infantry units that hold midfield objectives well. Getting that 30 man blob on an objective with a -1 to hit +1 save and going to ground. And then maybe opting to give them an invul save to make it all more durable and ignore those pesky high ROF ap weapons. Might pull coteaz.

I put in an army you inspired with that commend on the list. "Resilience". Dunno if it would hold up at all though, because things in the modern game are just that shooty.
But .. maybe this is a day for crusaders.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
I put in an army you inspired with that commend on the list. "Resilience". Dunno if it would hold up at all though, because things in the modern game are just that shooty.
But .. maybe this is a day for crusaders.

At 20 ppm for a 1w t3 3++ with no guns? No thx. Pay the price of a gk with no gun, lower str, lower t, no psychic, worse weapon.

These guys should be like 10-12 ppm

Yah, I know, I may have been looking for an excuse to finish painting up crusaders 17 through 30 in my own army .

However, they do awesome at being a roadblock if you can get a +1 save spell off.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
Yah, I know, I may have been looking for an excuse to finish painting up crusaders 17 through 30 in my own army .

However, they do awesome at being a roadblock if you can get a +1 save spell off.

Thought 2++ was a thing of the past. Is that a thing again?

I ain't sure, to be honest. It either is or it isn't, because so far, there is no new codex entry for them. If there is osmething in that big rulebook of ninth that forbids the interactions, then yeah, it is, if not, its just plain still legal till something is rewrote and released.

Does anyone know definitelike?

It was FAQ'd across the spectrum but now thats gone in 9th. In support of 2++ theres actually reference to improving 3++ to 2++ in the BRB page 364 so yea looks like its back.

Anyway Smotejob I DIG these lists man. You've actually caused me to spend all day considering picking up IG.

I can almost see a use for crusaders at 2++, I mean, in 8th for a while, I had squads of 5 that would stop just about anything cold that way. Course they only cost a fraction fo the current 20 points, and marines were less shooty.

But yeah. I like the smotejob lists too!