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Good evening dakka. What do you think of the competitive ability of this list? I'm expecting to give up lots of secondaries on my vehicles dying, but in my trial runs at home (covid!!!) It seems to do very well against other lists.

Basics of the list is mounted scions with a small detachment of regular guard to supply some extra damage and objective grabbing. I feel like it has the ability to deal with various lists and throws out a lot of dakka every turn.

Also, let me know if you can think of a way to streamline it.


++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [29 PL, -3CP, 480pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [-2CP]

Regimental Doctrine: Gunnery Experts, Jury-rigged Repairs

+ Stratagems +

Tank Ace [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [12 PL, 200pts]: Heavy Bolter, Heavy Stubber, Track guards, Turret-mounted Demolisher Siege Cannon

+ Troops +

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 50pts]
. 9x Guardsman: 9x Lasgun
. Sergeant: Chainsword, Laspistol

Infantry Squad [3 PL, 50pts]
. 9x Guardsman: 9x Lasgun
. Sergeant: Laspistol

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Sentinels [3 PL, 35pts]
. Scout Sentinel: Multi-laser

+ Heavy Support +

Manticore [8 PL, 145pts]: Full Payload, Heavy Bolter

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [75 PL, 10CP, 1,520pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment CP

Regimental Doctrine: 133rd Lambdan Lions

+ Stratagems +

Imperial Commander's Armoury [-1CP]: 1 additional Heirloom of Conquest

+ HQ +

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Display Astra Militarum Orders, Relic: The Laurels of Command, Tempestus Command Rod, Warlord, WT (133rd Lambdan Lions): Keys to the Armoury

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, -1CP, 45pts]: Progeny of Conflict, Relic (133rd Lambdan Lions): Refractor Field Generator, Tempestus Command Rod

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Meltagun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 115pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

+ Elites +

Astropath [2 PL, 25pts]: Telepathica Stave

+ Dedicated Transport +

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 135pts]: Taurox Battle Cannon, Two Autocannons

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 135pts]: Taurox Battle Cannon, Two Autocannons

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

++ Total: [104 PL, 7CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Its a pretty good list. Only thing I would do is cut the track gaurds off the demo tank - by the time you need those, its dead, and I would probably cut 1 taurox to replace with 1 valkyrie. Cause a little flyer power goes a long way in precision dropping scions, for about the same price.

Dukeofstuff wrote:
Its a pretty good list. Only thing I would do is cut the track gaurds off the demo tank - by the time you need those, its dead, and I would probably cut 1 taurox to replace with 1 valkyrie. Cause a little flyer power goes a long way in precision dropping scions, for about the same price.

Yeah I had 5 points to spend so I thought track guards maybe? Lol

I like the idea of the valk for some of my melta dudes. I could actually change my melta dudes to command squads then and put both in the valk. That frees up a few points elsewhere too

Lambda lions can also profit greatly from an all hotshotlasgun 10 man squad -- with nothing fancy in it, you land it from the valk at 5.1 inches, and that 90 point unit can get an order from someone for BOTH FRFSRF AND extermination protocol (dual orders require both laurels of command nearby, and a bit of luck. Dual orders with reroll 1's from an aura require also the warlord trait in range to buff. All three are a nightmare made flesh for your foe!).
So you shoot like 37 times, with hotshots, and you can roll an awful lot of hits, and then, pop the strategem to let any natural wound roll of 6 be a mortal wound.

Even mortarion has cause to fear someone who is going to roll roughly 60 dice to try to get sixes, and just boom, that's all mortals.
Remember, however, you can ALSO pop the strength of those guns up to 4 with a strat (Cause half or under range) and thus, any 5 you hit wounds with ap-3, and any six you hit is a mortal wound. Or if you are just slaughtering some hapless marines, even easier.

Its not unsituational but its going to do incredible damage to an unready dreadnaught or monster at T7, and its still a cheap throwaway that could be used almost the same way (only with just FRFSRF and +1 strength) to shred infantry squads at point blank range.

So if you end up with 2 command squads + one barebones 10 man, that's 250 points where you had been spending 270 for your 2 squads, but you have gained a LOT of extra ability in that 10 man squad. Do you need board presence and nothing else? Its 10 guys with a 5++ and a 4+ armor who can go to ground for 3+. Do you need to kill a keeper of secrets? Its surprisingly probably your best punch to do so. (Hint, don't try, just play around it.) Must you bring down a knight? Again, 60 shots at a mortal wound. Enemy horde? Subtract out about 30 enemy nids in one blow.
Its even wickedly effective on marine infantry. Against some enemies who can shoot your valkyrie down, its a threat they have to honor -- but it doesn't break your army to lose 10 guys with hslg, and the 2 command squads can wait neatly safe in deepstrike to come down somewhen, somewhere, ... you know how.

So yeah, I suggest you do that rearrangement dance, which means you are suddenly able to tailor your alpha strike to blow up multimple tanks ... or to wipe out a huge number of things in a very flexible (if command point expensive) manner. Now your one flyer gives your enemy fits .. and rememeber you CAN be sneaky pete about it and not have it on the board at all, turn 1.
Nobody expects that.

Whew.

I think that is a good change. I may need to buy another valk haha. Ive converted 2 valk kits (one into a vulture, another into an avenger) ... how crazy will it be to get a valk and keep it a valk...

Kk.. I played with the list a little, and was able to get a valkyrie in.
Also dropped my astropath so I can hunt psykers for my secondary. Also dropped the infantry squads for points.. added a scion squad in the pure guard Detachment... so i was able to keep all 6 taurox, get the melta commands, and get the valkyrie.

Lotta firepower here.

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [81 PL, 10CP, 1,625pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment CP

Regimental Doctrine: 133rd Lambdan Lions

+ Stratagems +

Imperial Commander's Armoury [-1CP]: 1 additional Heirloom of Conquest

+ HQ +

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, -1CP, 45pts]: Display Astra Militarum Orders, Progeny of Conflict, Relic: The Laurels of Command, Tempestus Command Rod, WT (133rd Lambdan Lions): Keys to the Armoury

Tempestor Prime [3 PL, 45pts]: Relic (133rd Lambdan Lions): Refractor Field Generator, Tempestus Command Rod, Warlord, WT: Old Grudges

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Plasma gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 115pts]
. 5x Scion: 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Scion w/ Special Weapon: Hot-shot Volley Gun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Plasma pistol

Militarum Tempestus Scions [5 PL, 90pts]
. 9x Scion: 9x Frag & Krak grenades, 9x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Elites +

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 80pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun

Militarum Tempestus Command Squad [3 PL, 80pts]
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun
. Tempestus Scion: Meltagun

+ Flyer +

Valkyries [7 PL, 150pts]
. Valkyrie: Hellstrike Missiles, Multi-laser
. . 2x Heavy Bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

+ Dedicated Transport +

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 135pts]: Taurox Battle Cannon, Two Autocannons

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 135pts]: Taurox Battle Cannon, Two Autocannons

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

Taurox Prime [7 PL, 120pts]: Taurox Gatling Cannon, Two Hot-shot Volley Guns

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) [23 PL, -3CP, 375pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment CP [-2CP]

Regimental Doctrine: Gunnery Experts, Jury-rigged Repairs

+ Stratagems +

Tank Ace [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Tank Commander [12 PL, 185pts]: Heavy Bolter, Turret-mounted Executioner Plasma Cannon

+ Troops +

Militarum Tempestus Scions [3 PL, 45pts]
. 4x Scion: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Hot-shot Lasgun
. Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

+ Heavy Support +

Manticore [8 PL, 145pts]: Full Payload, Heavy Bolter

++ Total: [104 PL, 7CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Very interesting, I need to write that down somewhere.