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Eye of Terror

Asking for opinions about what you would expect from a location for playing games.

In my neck of the woods, we're still under lockdown. The rules are loosening and I'm thinking about next steps. Several FLGSes closed in the early days of the pandemic, they're not coming back and some people have no options.

I own some commercial real estate with vacancies. I'm considering setting up an office / warehouse for wargaming. One of the members of my gaming group is an industrial hygienist who has been doing Covid remediation for the last 12 months. He deals with issues like air flow, exposed surfaces, setting up contact tracing, and the other things you would want addressed before you enter a building. We're considering setting up a gaming space and inviting people to use it at some point afterwards.

Wrestling with a few questions. Help me out here.

1) Aside from tables and HVAC - what is the minimum you would be looking for in a place set up to allow you to play?

2) How many people would you personally be comfortable around in a location? Would your answer change 6 months from now?

3) Would the temporary nature of a location be a turn off? For instance, if you knew this was only going to exist for six months, would that make you less likely to want to play there?

4) Would you pay money to have a place to game, like a monthly membership fee or a per-session fee? If so, how much would you consider reasonable?

5) If you had to schedule your games in advance, would that make you less likely to want to use the space?

6) If you had to wear a mask when in the building, would that make you less likely to want to use the space?

7) On a scale of 1 - 5 (5 being the highest,) how important is it that you know the other people who would be using the space?

8) How important would it be to have someone on-site to manage the location? Would you trust yourself and others to finish games on time and leave the place in a good state? Or would you only be comfortable if someone 'in charge' was present at all times?

9) We're considering limiting all games to a strict timeframe to allow cleaning between sessions. If we had to do this, how long would you expect a gaming session to last?

Any feedback you have to share is appreciated.

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At present, public gaming is a non-starter.

Even when lockdown ends (June 21 is the target date here), the effort of cleaning EVERYTHING makes it highly unlikely.

To address your specific queries:
1) Free, accessible parking, a good selection of scenery (which might be included under "tables", chairs, toilets, hot drinks - maybe food, sanitising stations. Greedy, aren't I?

2) More about the density and proximity than the number. If I can keep 2m from everyone except my opponent, I'd be happy enough. 6 months time? Depends how the vaccination programme goes.

3) Yes it would. Just get to know a new group and then have to start all over again...if there was a reasonable chance of the whole kaboose shifting to a different empty property, maybe....

4) A monthly membership fee for 6 months wouldn't appeal. A one off fee MIGHT. Per game? I tend not to, but these are different times now. £5 per player, 2-3 hours? £10 for all day?

5) New normal. Would have been a small barrier in the past. Not any more.

6) I don't like masks. I do wear and change mine regularly. Now, I would have reservations playing unmasked. 6 months time? See 2)

7) There's a higher comfort level with friends, but there's no logic to that.

8) Critical. No staff? Bye.

9) 2-3 hours

Sorry to sound negative, but the cleaning hurdle sounds like a killer. I want everything for nothing, but recognise that doesn't work. But I would guess the cleaning costs (to do it properly) would push a fee higher than I would want to go.

Sorry that all comes across as negative: others' mileage may vary....

   
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1) Aside from tables and HVAC - what is the minimum you would be looking for in a place set up to allow you to play?

Free/cheap parking.
Plenty of space - when I'm standing on my side of the table I want about 10ft between myself & the guy playing at the next table behind me.
Everything sanitized regularly.
Good lighting.

2) How many people would you personally be comfortable around in a location? Would your answer change 6 months from now?

Bit hard to answer as it depends upon who they are & size of location. I think I'd top out around 20.


3) Would the temporary nature of a location be a turn off? For instance, if you knew this was only going to exist for six months, would that make you less likely to want to play there?

6 months? How would this differ from going to any other newly launched hobby/game shop. That 1st year is always the shakiest....
No, it wouldn't deter me.

4) Would you pay money to have a place to game, like a monthly membership fee or a per-session fee? If so, how much would you consider reasonable?

I'm not opposed to the idea of renting time/table space or a membership fee. Especially if all the location offers is, well, location.
As for what I think is reasonable? I don't know. My initial guess per session would be "Whatever an evening movie tkt would cost me in the area."

5) If you had to schedule your games in advance, would that make you less likely to want to use the space?

Not really. Might make it harder though.

6) If you had to wear a mask when in the building, would that make you less likely to want to use the space?

Not at all. I'd expect it. The mask thing is just a temporary thing & I have to do it pretty much anywhere else I go anyways.

7) On a scale of 1 - 5 (5 being the highest,) how important is it that you know the other people who would be using the space?


About a 3.5 - 4.

8) How important would it be to have someone on-site to manage the location? Would you trust yourself and others to finish games on time and leave the place in a good state? Or would you only be comfortable if someone 'in charge' was present at all times?

No staff, no use.

9) We're considering limiting all games to a strict timeframe to allow cleaning between sessions. If we had to do this, how long would you expect a gaming session to last?

3 hours. Allows for people getting there, setting up, some games don't play as fast, some BSing, & clean up.

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stroller wrote:Sorry to sound negative, but the cleaning hurdle sounds like a killer. I want everything for nothing, but recognise that doesn't work. But I would guess the cleaning costs (to do it properly) would push a fee higher than I would want to go.

Sorry that all comes across as negative: others' mileage may vary....


On the contrary, I appreciate the feedback.

Doesn't make sense to set something up unless you know what people are thinking.

ccs wrote:4) Would you pay money to have a place to game, like a monthly membership fee or a per-session fee? If so, how much would you consider reasonable?

I'm not opposed to the idea of renting time/table space or a membership fee. Especially if all the location offers is, well, location.
As for what I think is reasonable? I don't know. My initial guess per session would be "Whatever an evening movie tkt would cost me in the area."


Here's the challenge. Costs are what keep everyone from trying to use the place at the same time. But people are used to getting space for gaming for free, asking for anything could drive them away.

Can you quantify what a movie ticket would cost where you live?




   
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Eye of Terror

stroller wrote:
One other thought. What matters in YOUR local area matters much more for your decisions than our random thoughts....

Thank you for the helpful thoughts.

Online feedback isn't a way to make decisions so much as a way to figure out what questions matter. Dakka has a pretty diverse range of viewpoints, so I figured this was a good place to start.


   
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 techsoldaten wrote:


ccs wrote:4) Would you pay money to have a place to game, like a monthly membership fee or a per-session fee? If so, how much would you consider reasonable?

I'm not opposed to the idea of renting time/table space or a membership fee. Especially if all the location offers is, well, location.
As for what I think is reasonable? I don't know. My initial guess per session would be "Whatever an evening movie tkt would cost me in the area."


Here's the challenge. Costs are what keep everyone from trying to use the place at the same time. But people are used to getting space for gaming for free, asking for anything could drive them away.
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So what if it does? You're only product is space - just like any other meeting hall, party center, etc.
Even if you get a nice tax write off on this project, you still need to pay the bills in the here & now. Will you be able to charge enough/draw enough people to ever break even on the bills? Not likely. But if you're not aiming to outright run a gaming charity then it's not unreasonable for those using the space to pony up to some degree. If they expect free they can make friends & play at home.

 techsoldaten wrote:
Can you quantify what a movie ticket would cost where you live?


About $12 for evening weekend shows in my area. About $10 for non-peak times
For $150 you can schedule a 20 person private watch party.
So, after I get my Coke & popcorn, I've spent about $20-$25 dollars for 2-3 hours worth of sitting in a recliner watching a movie....

But it doesn't really matter as I'd consider the prices in your area as the baseline for what I'd find reasonable were I to play at your pop-up location.
So I'm in your town & want to see the new Godzilla in a theatre. (let's assume evening price is the only price) Am I OK with paying that much to sit in a recliner, drink a coke, & watch a monster movie.... If the answer is yes? Then I'd be ok with spending that much for a similar length of time to play a game.
And like I said, that's just my initial guess on the subject.

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ccs wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:


ccs wrote:4) Would you pay money to have a place to game, like a monthly membership fee or a per-session fee? If so, how much would you consider reasonable?

I'm not opposed to the idea of renting time/table space or a membership fee. Especially if all the location offers is, well, location.
As for what I think is reasonable? I don't know. My initial guess per session would be "Whatever an evening movie tkt would cost me in the area."


Here's the challenge. Costs are what keep everyone from trying to use the place at the same time. But people are used to getting space for gaming for free, asking for anything could drive them away.
`

So what if it does? You're only product is space - just like any other meeting hall, party center, etc.
Even if you get a nice tax write off on this project, you still need to pay the bills in the here & now. Will you be able to charge enough/draw enough people to ever break even on the bills? Not likely. But if you're not aiming to outright run a gaming charity then it's not unreasonable for those using the space to pony up to some degree. If they expect free they can make friends & play at home.


Little torn on the question of fees. Don't want to get too far off track, but the last thing I'd want to do is start an actual business around this.

We're good on costs to use the property. The warehouse is currently occupied by a landscaping firm, the owner passed away and his son plans to liquidate it. He will have to terminate the lease, which means we get cancellation and other fees from the estate along with back rent. Finding another tenant for a warehouse takes at least another year, that's just how commercial real estate works.

My main concern is liability. There would have to be a separate entity operating in the space and it would need to be doing some form of business to get a reasonable insurance policy. The entity would need to pay whoever we hire to manage the space along with some other expenses (which we'd keep low.)

Ideally, that basic structure would work. One delta is we're local to a number of colleges, students haven't returned but may in the Fall. This makes it hard to plan for capacity, we don't know how many people may be coming and don't want to be overwhelmed / underwhelmed. It would be bad to dedicate 3.2k sq ft of warehouse space for a single table, or to set up 10 tables and have 200 people waiting in the parking lot.

So we're thinking fees and scheduling also help us a form of capacity planning and crowd control. The business would almost be acting as a pass-through for payments to people managing the space. But I'm still working out how they would be used.

ccs wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:
Can you quantify what a movie ticket would cost where you live?


About $12 for evening weekend shows in my area. About $10 for non-peak times
For $150 you can schedule a 20 person private watch party.
So, after I get my Coke & popcorn, I've spent about $20-$25 dollars for 2-3 hours worth of sitting in a recliner watching a movie....

But it doesn't really matter as I'd consider the prices in your area as the baseline for what I'd find reasonable were I to play at your pop-up location.
So I'm in your town & want to see the new Godzilla in a theatre. (let's assume evening price is the only price) Am I OK with paying that much to sit in a recliner, drink a coke, & watch a monster movie.... If the answer is yes? Then I'd be ok with spending that much for a similar length of time to play a game.
And like I said, that's just my initial guess on the subject.


Appreciate the feedback.

Help me understand: how would the presence of terrain for use on tables affect your decision? Is it a nice to have, a have to have, or something that would not affect your decision at all?

If you could get a free session by donating a piece of terrain, would that interest you?

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Terrain is important. If it’s a flat table then it’s boring as.

Donating terrain to play ? I doubt it’d work for a temporary gaming only place.

I don’t know much about gaming in Italy but it sounds like you are probably massively overestimating demand ? I live near to Nottingham , Games Workshop’s Warhammer World is - when there’s no event on - free to play , free fully painted terrain , themed modular boards , toilets , a bar , etc yet only in school holidays does it ever really hit capacity. A few other companies run free games nights etc but aren’t super popular at all.

Covid wise I’d say it’s very regional - what people outside Italy say is going to be very different to inside Italy especially given most of Europe has paused vaccine deployment which is going to cost lives and delay any return to normality. Personally if I get bsck gaming this year it’s going to be st my regular place as I know they have been sensible - they banned gaming well before they had to and have gone over and above the rules.
   
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They have paused one vaccine. From source that can't even provide that much as they are sending their supply to everybody else but EU.

AstraZenecal isn't only vaccine producer out there. There's already 3 other going on besides one that quotes "production issues" for failing to send sold quotas. Leaves 3 other who actually meets up to their contract.

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1: Dont know what hvac is, but public transport access is alpha and omega, atleast for me. Unless you want to make it a members only car club, you want to make shure as many people as possible can actualy arrive to your place. In todays society, the politicians are starting to see the car as the biggest enemy to the enviroment, even if the car is 100% electrical, and are doing anything to make car life harder. Shure some car parking facility is important but i would not make it a fokus unless you plan to find a location that has wheelchair accessability.

2: As many as there can be whitout the need of increasing the volume of the voice to shouting in order to actualy hear the person on the other side of the table.

3: Yup. setting up shop is a very risky move, but you allso have to make your presence known over along period of time, and you wont do that if it is just a fleeting moment.

4: If the membership resulted in overall inceased quality of the location, both in terms of the quality of the table and its decor, then yes. Fee amount is impossible for us to say, that is a local matter only.
However how would you balance that with visitors or bypassers who are simply qurios about the hobby and want to simply watch????

5: Me personly, yes. having a variant of atypical migrain that no migraine medicine works on, i cant make appointments that cannot be canceled whitout creating problems. it is drop-ins for me only.

6: Yes, but that is a very personal thing.

7: 1

8: A supervisor deffo has to be precent at all times, even if the club was memebership only. humans are humans and they only think about one thing: Me,Me,ME. If a human can skip responsability, he/she WILL. (plus you need someone neutral to brake up potensional conflicts or be a neutral judge, some humans treats minis too serious at times. heck even have the ability to remove an induvidual from the location if things turns out realy bad)

9: Say max 2 1/2H? Fokus only on skirmish games or small sized army forces. 30 mins to setup table and forces, 2H to play the game. playing small has its own charms and ways that playing large dont have.


If you do end up with actualy doing this i would try and cooperate with as many of your local FLGS as possible. Gamers needs gaming space, and with gaming space come inntrests and community, and with that comes the need to buy products.

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 FrozenDwarf wrote:
1: Dont know what hvac is, but public transport access is alpha and omega, atleast for me. Unless you want to make it a members only car club, you want to make shure as many people as possible can actualy arrive to your place. In todays society, the politicians are starting to see the car as the biggest enemy to the enviroment, even if the car is 100% electrical, and are doing anything to make car life harder. Shure some car parking facility is important but i would not make it a fokus unless you plan to find a location that has wheelchair accessability.


Good points and thanks for sharing.

The closest public transportation is a bus stop a mile away. People would have to walk near a highway to get there, no sidewalks. So that might be a problem I don't have a good answer for.

If you were scheduling games in advance, would you consider car pooling? We have software we'd like to use for scheduling which allows us to send alerts, which could be used to request a ride.

There's a set of steps leading into the office. The warehouse has a ramp that leads in through a loading dock, not the office front. There's a wall separating them.

If we were using the loading dock as a wheelchair accessible entrance, would that be too complex?

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
4: If the membership resulted in overall inceased quality of the location, both in terms of the quality of the table and its decor, then yes. Fee amount is impossible for us to say, that is a local matter only.
However how would you balance that with visitors or bypassers who are simply qurios about the hobby and want to simply watch????


How important is the question of what fees are used for? We need to cover the cost of staff and insurance, or choose to eat that ourselves.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
5: Me personly, yes. having a variant of atypical migrain that no migraine medicine works on, i cant make appointments that cannot be canceled whitout creating problems. it is drop-ins for me only.


This is the first time I've heard about migraines preventing someone from being able to work with scheduling systems. I'm really sorry to hear you suffer from those, know they can be a serious thing.

Would love to drill down on that. Our primary purpose for a scheduling system is crowd control, we might not be able to have people hanging around before or after games.

If we had a policy where you could cancel and would receive credit for a future date, would that be sufficient?

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
8: A supervisor deffo has to be precent at all times, even if the club was memebership only. humans are humans and they only think about one thing: Me,Me,ME. If a human can skip responsability, he/she WILL. (plus you need someone neutral to brake up potensional conflicts or be a neutral judge, some humans treats minis too serious at times. heck even have the ability to remove an induvidual from the location if things turns out realy bad)


Following up on this point: how important is it the person running the space understands the rules of 40k?

We were thinking the 'manager' specializes in cleanup, preparing the tables and scheduling. Not sure we're going to find people who also specialize in 40k.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
If you do end up with actualy doing this i would try and cooperate with as many of your local FLGS as possible. Gamers needs gaming space, and with gaming space come inntrests and community, and with that comes the need to buy products.


That's a great thought.

I'm friends with a couple of them who have said they'd prefer to send people elsewhere to play as long as there's limits on head count in their stores. There's also straight hobby shops who can't do their MtG tournaments anymore and it's costing them business.

While I only have so much insight into how to service these kinds of needs - do you have ideas on what could be an effective way to coorperate?

   
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 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Terrain is important. If it’s a flat table then it’s boring as.

Donating terrain to play ? I doubt it’d work for a temporary gaming only place.

I don’t know much about gaming in Italy but it sounds like you are probably massively overestimating demand ? I live near to Nottingham , Games Workshop’s Warhammer World is - when there’s no event on - free to play , free fully painted terrain , themed modular boards , toilets , a bar , etc yet only in school holidays does it ever really hit capacity. A few other companies run free games nights etc but aren’t super popular at all.


We've got a lot of data about the gap and the local scene.

We built estimates of what the gaming scene was like pre-Covid, through interviews with owners and, in some cases, review of financials.

Any given night, the average was about 50 people visiting shops between 7 stores with tables within 35 miles of the center. That number climbed to 230 on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. 3 of those stores are out of business, 2 of them have no plans to return to tabletop gaming and are supportive of the idea of a separate venue for playing games. These owners said they would actively direct people to a location if we set it up. There is also a GW store in the area but it only has 2 tables for games.

These numbers would change based on whether or not college is in session. Attendance goes down in September, then up through May. June and July are wildly variable. We found people spend the most at the stores when college is in session and summers are mostly a wash for FLGSes.

The other major delta is tournaments and well-publicized game nights. Aside from 40k, MtG and AoS are the major draws. There is some interest in Infinity, but it's hard to gauge. We know from the terrain pieces that it was popular in a couple locations. Regardless, if we want to promote, we know we could get people from the community to organize tournaments. These may conflict with public health guidelines, which encourage people to remain in enclosed spaces for less time than it would take to complete a tournament. So we're not sure if tournaments would be useful unless we changed the format.

There are a number of gaming clubs around. They are informally organized, don't offer 'membership' so much as occasional swag grabs for people who are long time members. They are not loyal to a specific store and would change venues from time to time. We know that some people identify with multiple clubs and members have personal / professional interests in arts / crafts, computer science, sci-fi literature, construction, medical, health / wellness, the armed forces and law enforcement. While we don't have good demographics, we suspect the age range of club participants is mostly in the mid-30s and they commonly bring their children to games.

Another note about demographics: many of the people participating in clubs work in essential services. They have been working throughout the pandemic and don't consider Covid a limiting factor. Some of them have been playing pick-up games throughout lockdowns. They would recognize an unsafe environment and we've found examples of players documenting problems in public locations on their social media feeds. So they seem to be rules-followers to the extent it doesn't conflict with personal experience.

From interviews with owners, we learned players were willing to travel about 25 miles to participate in games, and identification with a gaming club matters to about a quarter of people who were showing up. The warehouse is not centrally located, it was chosen for the opportunity more than the location. So there's a certain percentage who would not find this a convenient option. Owners also talked about the idea of regulars, they consistently answered it was about 1 in 5 people who visited frequently. This gives us a ballpark of about 1400 casual players who might come out every other month for a game.

There are 3 active Slack channels we know of where people local to the area congregate to talk about tabletop games - none of which are exclusive to 40k. They include over 800 people who are active more than once a week. A common sentiment expressed within these channels is a desire to get back to gaming, and a common theme is stories of people who travelled to Texas / Florida for pickup games. We know who the influencers are in these channels and they are vocal about their dissatisfaction with lockdowns. We're hesitant to engage with these influencers yet because we believe they could drive demand past our capacity just through casual comments.

So the picture is not entirely clear, but we think capacity would look like this:

- 40 person occupancy average, 150 on weekends. +/- 50% on weekdays, +/- 20% on weekends.

- Evening sessions on weekdays, morning and evening sessions on weekends.

- Special sessions for holidays.

- We could control capacity through a scheduling system.

- We could max out capacity by organizing tournaments or game nights.

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 techsoldaten wrote:
 FrozenDwarf wrote:
1: Dont know what hvac is, but public transport access is alpha and omega, atleast for me. Unless you want to make it a members only car club, you want to make shure as many people as possible can actualy arrive to your place. In todays society, the politicians are starting to see the car as the biggest enemy to the enviroment, even if the car is 100% electrical, and are doing anything to make car life harder. Shure some car parking facility is important but i would not make it a fokus unless you plan to find a location that has wheelchair accessability.


Good points and thanks for sharing.

The closest public transportation is a bus stop a mile away. People would have to walk near a highway to get there, no sidewalks. So that might be a problem I don't have a good answer for.

If you were scheduling games in advance, would you consider car pooling? We have software we'd like to use for scheduling which allows us to send alerts, which could be used to request a ride.

There's a set of steps leading into the office. The warehouse has a ramp that leads in through a loading dock, not the office front. There's a wall separating them.

If we were using the loading dock as a wheelchair accessible entrance, would that be too complex?

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
4: If the membership resulted in overall inceased quality of the location, both in terms of the quality of the table and its decor, then yes. Fee amount is impossible for us to say, that is a local matter only.
However how would you balance that with visitors or bypassers who are simply qurios about the hobby and want to simply watch????


How important is the question of what fees are used for? We need to cover the cost of staff and insurance, or choose to eat that ourselves.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
5: Me personly, yes. having a variant of atypical migrain that no migraine medicine works on, i cant make appointments that cannot be canceled whitout creating problems. it is drop-ins for me only.


This is the first time I've heard about migraines preventing someone from being able to work with scheduling systems. I'm really sorry to hear you suffer from those, know they can be a serious thing.

Would love to drill down on that. Our primary purpose for a scheduling system is crowd control, we might not be able to have people hanging around before or after games.

If we had a policy where you could cancel and would receive credit for a future date, would that be sufficient?

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
8: A supervisor deffo has to be precent at all times, even if the club was memebership only. humans are humans and they only think about one thing: Me,Me,ME. If a human can skip responsability, he/she WILL. (plus you need someone neutral to brake up potensional conflicts or be a neutral judge, some humans treats minis too serious at times. heck even have the ability to remove an induvidual from the location if things turns out realy bad)


Following up on this point: how important is it the person running the space understands the rules of 40k?

We were thinking the 'manager' specializes in cleanup, preparing the tables and scheduling. Not sure we're going to find people who also specialize in 40k.

 FrozenDwarf wrote:
If you do end up with actualy doing this i would try and cooperate with as many of your local FLGS as possible. Gamers needs gaming space, and with gaming space come inntrests and community, and with that comes the need to buy products.


That's a great thought.

I'm friends with a couple of them who have said they'd prefer to send people elsewhere to play as long as there's limits on head count in their stores. There's also straight hobby shops who can't do their MtG tournaments anymore and it's costing them business.

While I only have so much insight into how to service these kinds of needs - do you have ideas on what could be an effective way to coorperate?


re1: first off, i have a handfull of personality disorders, i cannot comment on what normal humans would or would not do in order to get to a place. I live in a capital city so public transport is plentyfull.
I feel this is something that only gamers in your city/district or clubs can give a reply to.

In regards to wheelchair access, i personly as someone who can walk on my own legs, would rate security above all. If the loading ramp is secure and the halls leading to your gaming floor space can be navigated easily, i cant see any problems, BUT, i am not in a wheelchair and cant realy speak for thouse who sadly are.

re4: well obvious you have to find a way to pay the bills and it should not come out of your private funds, unless you are filthy rich(alltough chairs and tables you prolly have to pay for on your own, but that is where flea markets or garage sales comes in to the picture, or just buy some woodplanks and plywood and make benches, seats and tables and buy some seated padding). Allso, local clubs might be willing to help kickstarting the place.

How mutch is impossible for me to say, but i think you will find that number if you can find out what the monthly regular expences on the place including salery for staff will be.
One solution for non membership entry for teenagers/adults could be that first time entry is free, then you can sell entry cupons for thouse who want to use the place but perhaps not as ofthen that it justifys a membership for them.

re5: it is not so mutch about me, it is more about my opponent. Would you not be a little upset if you arrived to a place only to find out on arrival that the person who was set up agasint you could not come, or you waited for 45 mins and still the person had not come?? Unexpected events, you cant safeguard against it.
Some form of digital communications platform would need to be made if you are going to use scheduling systems. (aka a Discord channel, dont rely exlusivly on facebook group, there are still humans who downright refuces to use FB)

re8: I would say none IF you beforehand spesify it to people who enter. It is a bonus that they know rules, but then i would rather have induviduals who knows the basic rules about many different games, then super deep into just one. Allso remember, while GW games are the moust popular, they are just 1% of the mini world, plenty of other games out there, and to alienating thouse players who play them might not be a good idea if you want as many users as possible. (but who am i to say what is beeing played or not, in a place i dont live in?????)

In terms of FLGS cooperation, i only have one loose idea as of right now. How about offering them a little "corner shop" in your place one day/evning of the week, that rotates based on how many shops wants to do it? They provide the products and using their own emplyees to sell their products, and in return the shop promos your location.Allow the first month to be free to see if it is actualy working for them, then agree on a comission from them on the 2nd month and onwards. Aka, for MtG in your example, their gaming day of the week is usualy friday(friday night gaming), if you have say two fridays per month where say 50% of the table space is saved for MtG only, allowing the MtG shop to sell their products on your site on thouse two fridays while having MtG players using your location might work out for both of you, or on weekends when there is MtG comps.
Same thing for miniature shops.

But basicly, this is wild speculations combined whit guess work on my part, we are not even in the same country. it is just my personal opinions and happy humanity toughts.
You must approach the shops/clubs, present your vision and ask them if they want to be part of it or not. (as allways, a good presentation sells the product moustly by itself)





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Another pessimistic thought I'm afraid: the stores having space sounds like a good idea, but, if they're closed under covid rules, they'd still have to be closed in the new venue....
   
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 techsoldaten wrote:
There are 3 active Slack channels we know of where people local to the area congregate to talk about tabletop games - none of which are exclusive to 40k. They include over 800 people who are active more than once a week. A common sentiment expressed within these channels is a desire to get back to gaming, and a common theme is stories of people who travelled to Texas / Florida for pickup games. We know who the influencers are in these channels and they are vocal about their dissatisfaction with lockdowns. We're hesitant to engage with these influencers yet because we believe they could drive demand past our capacity just through casual comments.


Point of order, given the little flag by your posts - you're not actually in Italy, are you?

I think some people's responses regarding viability may have been coloured by the situation over there.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:
There are 3 active Slack channels we know of where people local to the area congregate to talk about tabletop games - none of which are exclusive to 40k. They include over 800 people who are active more than once a week. A common sentiment expressed within these channels is a desire to get back to gaming, and a common theme is stories of people who travelled to Texas / Florida for pickup games. We know who the influencers are in these channels and they are vocal about their dissatisfaction with lockdowns. We're hesitant to engage with these influencers yet because we believe they could drive demand past our capacity just through casual comments.


Point of order, given the little flag by your posts - you're not actually in Italy, are you?

I think some people's responses regarding viability may have been coloured by the situation over there.


Ah. Right, I'm not in Italy.

Could have been more clear about that.

   
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Help me understand: how would the presence of terrain for use on tables affect your decision? Is it a nice to have, a have to have, or something that would not affect your decision at all?

If you could get a free session by donating a piece of terrain, would that interest you?


Terrain, of some sort, is virtually a must.

After that it's just details - what types of terrain, quality, quantity, who's terrain....
If you supply it? Great.
If I'm going somewhere that I know lacks terrain? I've got a box of ez-store type stuff I can chuck in the car.

Trading terrain for table time? Sure. I was already ok with trading $.
Heck, a piece of terrain might be cheaper.
Just don't expect GW stuff.
   
 
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