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Do you think there is any connection between Alpharius & Omegon to the 2 lost primarchs?

The twins were the last to be reclaimed by the Emperor so most likely NOT as the 2 expunged primarchs were over & dealt with way before the twins were found. However, since very little is known about the XXth legion I farted out my own theory about the two:

What if Alpharius & Omegon are the clones of the lost primarchs reborn anew from the same gene-stock of the forgotten primarchs but was "tweaked" by the emperor so that they would not share the same fate as their doppelgangers? Their secretive nature being a reflection that somehow they knew something was afoot since their inception & thus became increasingly reclusive from their brothers & their father & the 20th legion was formed around the remnants of what was left of the two separate forces & then combined lost legion 1 with 2nd lost legion, creating a new & last XXth Legion.

Perhaps there was a "true" 20th Primarch that also fell from grace & erased from memory & replaced by the twins as a check & balance team of primarchs that are not actually "true" primarchs themselves and were made to be less powerful than a singular primarch on their own. In essence they would be opposite of the grey knights & their loyalties are always in question versus the steadfast & incorruptible nature the the GK's whom were also founded in secrecy.

The Emperor could have groomed said clones & kept them away from the frontlines to not only spy on their fellow brothers and learn about the Imperium but to witness the events of the Great Crusade only to be partially revealed to the others when their remaining brothers were found and forced to do so due to the Heresy War. They might even have been created to be blanks to the warp and therefore undetectable
so that Chaos couldn't find them or that they had psychic powers so great that they could impose their thoughts or take away thoughts freely. Maybe they could only enact their powers if they were near each other and everything we know & don't know about them & the 2 lost primarchs was just as planned by the Emperor in a matchup of shenanigans between him & Tzeentch.

Anywho we will probably never know of any of their true fates and this is all far, far beyond speculation but case in point not much is known about the Alpha (and potentially Omega) legion(s)


   
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Alpharius and Omegon were found by Horus, who kept them with him for a long period of time before revealing them to the Imperium. The 20th was in play long before their Primarchs were found and were used for the same style of missions they were famous for when A/O took over.
As for the lost Primarchs, we know a little about what happened to them. They were known as "the Forgotten and the Purged". By the time of the Council of Nikea, the Space Wolves were known as the Emperor's executioner Legion and it was implied that they had taken part in an event similar to the Burning of Prospero. As well as this Magnus and Lorgar have a discussion about Lorgar's censure by the Emperor where Magnus warns him about discussing their lost brothers. This implies they were at least known to Lorgar and Magnus. IIRC Lorgar also jokes at the same time about how large the Ultramarines Legion is, hinting they took on the survivors of one of the lost Legions. Magnus and Mortarion also have a curt discussion regarding gatherings of the Emperor's Sons at the Ullanor Triumph. By the time Corax is discovered both Primarchs and their Legions were lost.

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Thanks Gert!

I find it fascinating that Horus took them under his wing & revealed them at a later time. I always hoped this was from an external influence for him to do so whether instructed by the Emperor or subtly by Chaos. It's just as intriguing that he did it of his own free will. I would love to know more about their relationship with Horus!
   
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Alpharius and Omegon are not tied to the missing legions in any meaningful way based on the Alpha Legion Primarchs book.
Spoiler:
Alpharius was the very first Primarch found, contrary to public knowledge that it was Horus. The Emperor kept him secret and he basically acted as a covert ops primarch that worked in the shadows until he himself picked up on the trail of Omegon and discovered him, on one of the worlds that were taken over by the Slaugth that were involved in the Rangdan Xenocides. He then helped Omegon get publicly discovered by Horus. Interestingly, Alpharius was largely raised and tutored by Malcador, which explains his inclination towards clandestine operations.

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 Grimskul wrote:
Alpharius and Omegon are not tied to the missing legions in any meaningful way based on the Alpha Legion Primarchs book. Alpharius was the very first Primarch found, contrary to public knowledge that it was Horus. The Emperor kept him secret and he basically acted as a covert ops primarch that worked in the shadows until he himself discovered picked up on the trail of Omegon and discovered him, on one of the worlds that were taken over by the Slaugth that were involved in the Rangdan Xenocides. He then helped Omegon get publicly discovered by Horus. Interestingly, Alpharius was largely raised and tutored by Malcador, which explains his inclination towards clandestine operations.

Did you just spoil an entire book without putting it in a spoiler tab? A book that has only been released as a limited edition so far? Dude, WT !

Edited to reduce spoilers.

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And you quoted it, compounding the problem.

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 Grimskul wrote:
Alpharius and Omegon are not tied to the missing legions in any meaningful way based on the Alpha Legion Primarchs book. Alpharius was the very first Primarch found, contrary to public knowledge that it was Horus. The Emperor kept him secret and he basically acted as a covert ops primarch that worked in the shadows until he himself discovered picked up on the trail of Omegon and discovered him, on one of the worlds that were taken over by the Slaugth that were involved in the Rangdan Xenocides. He then helped Omegon get publicly discovered by Horus. Interestingly, Alpharius was largely raised and tutored by Malcador, which explains his inclination towards clandestine operations.


Interesting. Whats the source for all this? Im on book 27 of the HH so not read all the books yet but would have thought Legion to cover it

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 Argive wrote:
 Grimskul wrote:
Alpharius and Omegon are not tied to the missing legions in any meaningful way based on the Alpha Legion Primarchs book. Alpharius was the very first Primarch found, contrary to public knowledge that it was Horus. The Emperor kept him secret and he basically acted as a covert ops primarch that worked in the shadows until he himself discovered picked up on the trail of Omegon and discovered him, on one of the worlds that were taken over by the Slaugth that were involved in the Rangdan Xenocides. He then helped Omegon get publicly discovered by Horus. Interestingly, Alpharius was largely raised and tutored by Malcador, which explains his inclination towards clandestine operations.


Interesting. Whats the source for all this? Im on book 27 of the HH so not read all the books yet but would have thought Legion to cover it


Its not in the actual HH series proper in terms of Chronology, its part of the Primarch series book, it's called Alpharius: Head of the Hydra.

Also, my bad regarding spoilers, though to be fair, it's not exactly earth-breaking stuff in my opinion, and it merely fuses all the supposed origins of the twins together in one semi-coherent narrative.

The only thing that stood out as quite new was the:

Spoiler:
fact that Alpharius was the one who helped start the Blood Games for the Custodes since he attempted to assassinate the Emperor as a demonstration that the Palace wasn't as impenetrable as the Custodes thought.
   
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Wow, I guess word got to Alpharius/Omegon that there is an actual book that might possibly document their origins...because I just went looking for it & I couldn't find it on the Black Library website...Hydra Dominus?

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That's because it hasn't been released in non-limited edition form.
   
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For what it's worth, very few people are aware that there are 2 primarchs for the XXth legion, and I'm fairly sure that nobody outside the legion itself knows it. Legion by Dan Abnett revealed that secret, and from what I've heard, this was at the direction of GW themselves - ie, they basically told him "Oh there are actually two Alpha Legion primarchs, and they're twins. Now write this novel and find a way to work that revelation into it." Even the the FW black book "Extermination" doesn't mention Omegon at all.

The new Primarchs novel, Alpharius: Head of the Hydra has some further revelations on this, spoiled up above. But also:

Really cool little mention:

Spoiler:
Alpharius in the novel mentions that he wanted to test himself against Valdor, and that he's also seen Valdor fight against(and defeat) one of the two lost primarchs - I forget the name. There was also a hidden rebellion by the gene architect who helped the Emperor with the Astartes project.
   
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 Gert wrote:
That's because it hasn't been released in non-limited edition form.


Well, that's a relief. I was half-watching my back for either one of the twin Primarchs (or agents there-of) that haven't been "born" yet.

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Does the book explain why alpharius and omegon exist as twins (with a single soul??) and how they became separated if they were in the same gestation tank??
   
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 Gert wrote:
Alpharius and Omegon were found by Horus, who kept them with him for a long period of time before revealing them to the Imperium. The 20th was in play long before their Primarchs were found and were used for the same style of missions they were famous for when A/O took over.

That is just the official story. Forge World HH books actually present dozen other possible origin stories. And funnily enough, Lionel met Alpharius long before Horus did if Rangdan was account is correct.

Space Wolves were known as the Emperor's executioner Legion and it was implied that they had taken part in an event similar to the Burning of Prospero

Actually they did not, the executioner thing is just a legion of drunk barbarians boasting - badly, in fact, because their clash with Angron (who laughed in their face upon hearing this) was the first time they ever fought other SM according to Russ so they simply couldn't fight the lost two legions before that.

IIRC Lorgar also jokes at the same time about how large the Ultramarines Legion is, hinting they took on the survivors of one of the lost Legions.

That was a WB legionnary bitter that properly commanded legion overtook them in size. If Ultramarines really had elements of other legions, Roboute wouldn't object to Cawl's suggestion to create primaris based on them (and genetic testing of Ultramarine successors in past 10.000 years would quickly find they are in fact not of their stock).
   
 
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