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Hi there,

since the realspace detachment was shown on the community stie, i've wondered about one thing

realspace raid detachment rules:



"...all units [...] in that detatchment gain a drukhari obsession"

what obsession do they get? it seems that i specify one obsession for each kabal, cult and coven, lets say black heart, prophets and strife. so every <kabal> unit in this detachment gets the "black heart benefits", i can use their relics and strategems. every <cult> unit in this detachment.. etcetcetc

that does also be the way most reviews/batreps are showing/using it


BUUT why? where is it statet that i must choose THE SAME obsession for each (all) <kabal>, <Cults> or <Coven> units?

why cant i choose my kabilites <Kabal> to be "black heart" and my ravagers <Kabal> to be for example "obsidian rose" ?


EDIT:
just to clarify i am pretty sure, you must choose ONE obsession, like everybody seems to agree with.... but i really wonder why?

It needs an FAQ

In the codex, it goes into detail and specifies that the Obsession rule you get is tied to the subfaction that your three mandatory HQs for the detachment are. So if your mandatory Succubus is CULT OF STRIFE, all CULT OF STRIFE units in the realspace raid gain that obsession.

It also goes into detail on the Relic, Stratagem and Warlord Trait that each <subfaction> gives you, so you can no longer include a single BLACK HEART unit and use Agents of Vect.

So while you can, theoretically, include other kabals, cults, etc in the detachment, they will get nothing for it.

the_scotsman wrote:
In the codex, it goes into detail and specifies that the Obsession rule you get is tied to the subfaction that your three mandatory HQs for the detachment are. So if your mandatory Succubus is CULT OF STRIFE, all CULT OF STRIFE units in the realspace raid gain that obsession.

It also goes into detail on the Relic, Stratagem and Warlord Trait that each <subfaction> gives you, so you can no longer include a single BLACK HEART unit and use Agents of Vect.

So while you can, theoretically, include other kabals, cults, etc in the detachment, they will get nothing for it.

thats excactly what i try to find out
could you tell me on what page i can find this information? nothing i've read so far gives me that conclusion

on page 53 it only says the obsession gained, depends on wich cult kabal or coven they come from... but nothing about their KCoC depending on their respective warlord or HQ

EDIT: it only refers to what relics you can use, depending on their respective HQ

From what i've read about this (I dont have the codex yet), the benefit of combined detachment are;
- you'll only include one detachment
- archon reroll affect any core unit, instead of only kabal and incubi

You can still include x-amount patrol detachment for free, if you want different kabals or cults combined together..

Patrols are only free if all your detachments are Patrols. You still pay if you use any other detachment type for your Realspace Raid detachment.

As for the Realspace Raid and obsessions, GW seems to have missed properly stating what they want for this rule. It is explained nicely in the example, but the rules don't really require what the example shows. Not mentioning <Kabal>, <Cult>, and <Coven> in the first paragraph is a major oversight on their part.

 Spreelock wrote:
From what i've read about this (I dont have the codex yet), the benefit of combined detachment are;
- you'll only include one detachment
- archon reroll affect any core unit, instead of only kabal and incubi

You can still include x-amount patrol detachment for free, if you want different kabals or cults combined together..

They never explicitly lay out "This is how it works, you do X you get Y" but they lay it out with extremely little wiggle room on the right column in page 53.

"Example: A battle-forged army includes a Realspace Raid Detachment that includes an Archon (the warlord) from kabal of the black heart, a succubus from the cult of the cursed blade, and a haemonculus from the Coven of 12.

every KABAL OF THE BLACK HEART unit in that detachment gains the Thirst for Power obsession, ever CULT OF THE CURSED BLADE unit in that detachment gains the Only the Strong will Thrive obsession and every COVEN OF TWELVE unit in the detachment gains the butchers of flesh obsession."

and then it goes on to talk about how because the archon is the warlord he can be given labyrinthine cunning, and it says because the detachment is a realspace raid you can spend command points to use the Agents of Vect stratagem because your Archon is from the kabal of the black heart.

It never explicitly states the rule, but the example extremely clearly lays out that the Obsession, Relic, WL trait and Stratagem you get access to in the realspace raid is tied to what <subfaction> you select for your mandatory Archon, Succubus, and Haemonculus for the detachment.

I understand, the people who pay the salaries of the FAQ employees are going to do what they do, and they're going to play their two weeks with "myeeeeeeeeh but it doesnt actually SAY that EXPLIIIICITLY" and then they'll have to actually lay that out in detail in the 2-week FAQ. I'm just saying if you're actually honestly asking where it lays out how it works in the rules, and you're not just fishing for unintentded in-game advantage for 2 weeks, that's where it is, in the examples on page 53.

its not about gaining an advantage...
i clearly stated, i believe the intend is defacto the same as in the example...

i just wanted to know if i missed a rule somewhere, which i clearly didnt.

a 5 paragraph example is nice to clarify things, but no substitute for a clear written rule

I was only trying to write down a simple version of the rules, as it can be difficult to understand. It also comes with a negative side, as you'll have to include 3 hq, which means you dont have space for drazhar in battalion detachment. And filling up brigade in 2k list can be challenging. I personally think that 3x patrol is a proper way to write lists.

I just got the codex today. Page 88, 4th paragraph under "The <Kabal>, <Wych Cult> and <Haemonculus Coven> keywords" clears things up.

Basically it requires all <Kabal> units in a detachment to be from the same Kabal. Same goes for cults and covens.