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I'm a newb, so bare with me please. My question is, if I'm running Deathwatch can I use both Hit-and-Run Warfare (1CP) and Relentless Assault (1CP) on the same unit (granted I have the CP to spend and I Fall back)?

So ultimately, assuming I'm already engaged against enemies with my Deathwatch Biker Unit or a Kill Team Unit that contains a Veteran Biker or Outrider. In my Movement phase would I be able to use both Stratagems on the same group with said Bikers to make him able to Fall back, Shoot in the Shooting Phase, and then Charge in the Charge phase?


Hit-and-Run Warfare (1CP)
Adeptus Astartes -- Strategic Ploy Stratagem

Use this Stratagem in your Movement phase, when an Adeptus Astartes Biker, Land Speeder, or Storm Speeder unit from your army Falls Back. That unit is still eligible to shoot this turn even though it Fell Back.

Relentless Assault (1CP)
Deathwatch -- Strategic Ploy Strategem

Use this Stratagem in your Movement phase, when a Deathwatch Biker unit, or a Kill Team unit that contains a Veteran Biker or Outrider from your army Falls back. That unit is eligible to charge even though it Fell Back this turn.

Yes and no.

Hit and Run requires the unit to be a Biker so that one will only work on a unit of veteran bikers or a kill team with only biker models.

If you have a unit that has the Biker keyword in a Deathwatch army you can use both of these stratagems on the same unit if it falls back.

Awesome, thank you. So if I were to make a Fortis Kill Team comprised of 5 Outriders and then 1 Sergeant + 4 Intercessor's and I split them via Combat Squads at the beginning of the Deployment Phase so that my Outriders were a Squad and then the others were their own Squad. Would I then be able to use Hit-and-Run Warfare and Relentless Assault on the Squad that is only Outriders?

That is correct.

Very cool, thank you again!

Both stratagems havent been cited correctly. Its important to check how something is written. BIKER isnt the same as Biker. The first BIKER is all uppercase. Which means its a keyword. The second Biker is not uppercase, which means it means a units name.

From what I can see, both stratagems refer to the Biker keyword. However, a Fortis Kill Team only has the Biker keyword when all of its models are Outriders.

Thus, you cannot use Hit-and-Run Warfare on a Fortis Kill Team unless all the models remaining are Outriders, whether due to casualties and/or use of Combat Squads.

 p5freak wrote:
Both stratagems havent been cited correctly. Its important to check how something is written. BIKER isnt the same as Biker. The first BIKER is all uppercase. Which means its a keyword. The second Biker is not uppercase, which means it means a units name.

I cited them exactly from their respective pages and books, but I can't capitalize a letter that is already in Uppercase like they do in the book. Also, Isn't it always a Keyword when preceded by a Faction designation? I guess my question is How can "Adeptus Astartes Biker" be anything other than keywords? You say the second Biker is not all uppercase, but it is. And it is still a unit as you say, because the text said it was "...Deathwatch Biker unit," but with all caps. I will bold them from now on to avoid confusion.

It is only a keyword when it is in upper case.

Vvulfrik wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Both stratagems havent been cited correctly. Its important to check how something is written. BIKER isnt the same as Biker. The first BIKER is all uppercase. Which means its a keyword. The second Biker is not uppercase, which means it means a units name.

I cited them exactly from their respective pages and books, but I can't capitalize a letter that is already in Uppercase like they do in the book. Also, Isn't it always a Keyword when preceded by a Faction designation? I guess my question is How can "Adeptus Astartes Biker" be anything other than keywords? You say the second Biker is not all uppercase, but it is. And it is still a unit as you say, because the text said it was "...Deathwatch Biker unit," but with all caps. I will bold them from now on to avoid confusion.

How is Adeptus Astartes Biker exactly the same as ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER ? Its not. Are you not seeing that one is all uppercase, and the other is not ?

If there would be a unit with the datasheet name Adeptus Astartes Biker it would mean that datasheet, and only that one. But, ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER refers to every unit with the keywords ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER, which would mean Outriders, Veteran bikers, Invader Atv, Captain on bike, Chaplain on bike, etc.

GW uses Sᴍᴀʟʟ Cᴀᴘs for their keywords which sometimes has caused problems if they don't look closely at the words in question.

 p5freak wrote:


How is Adeptus Astartes Biker exactly the same as ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER ? Its not. Are you not seeing that one is all uppercase, and the other is not ?

If there would be a unit with the datasheet name Adeptus Astartes Biker it would mean that datasheet, and only that one. But, ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER refers to every unit with the keywords ADEPTUS ASTARTES BIKER, which would mean Outriders, Veteran bikers, Invader Atv, Captain on bike, Chaplain on bike, etc.

No one said it was. And no one asked either. I'm not going to take the time to use perfect Keyword syntax B IKER when asking about a stratagem when it is copied directly from the Rules. I'm also not going to type a word in all caps when the Keyword is understood. You are the one who is struggling with that aspect of the question, no one else.

Did you read the example? A Deathwatch Fortis Kill Team is split down the middle via Combat Squad at the Start of Deployment, with 5 Outriders in one group and 4 Intercessor's + 1 Sergeant in the other. The question was if the 5 Outriders could use both Hit-and-Run Warfare + Relentless Assault in the same turn. The question was already answered. I still don't understand (possibly language barrier?) which case you are talking about where Biker is not all capitalized? Are you referring to in general? Because both rules have them as Keywords.

Just to clarify, I understand that a Keyword in the rule book is Bold + All caps + fluctuating font size to capitalize an already capitalized word.

To maximize understanding, it is best to either capitalize or bold keywords when you quote rules. That ensures everyone knows when Outrider means Outrider model, Outrider unit, or Outrider keyword.