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Really really tempted by the whispers from the Warp. This probably isn't 'good', especially for lack of Line units but, I mean, it's cool! Should I sell my soul (or at least some Age of Sigmar stuff) to do it ?!?!



Rite of War: Last of the Serrated Sun

HQs

240 Argel Tal (warlord)

300 Zardu Layak and the Blade Slaves

110 Legion Herald in Tartaros Armor w chainfist (probably run w the other Gal Vorbak for a 2nd Line unit)



TROOPS

550 2x5 Gal Vorbak (1 can run with Argel and be Line), all double talons I'm thinking, or is that dum just for the single extra attack?



ELITES

255 10 Ashen Circle w inferno pistol/phosphex bomb on the Iconoclast

240 Mhara Gal Dreadnought (maybe w a Gravis Multimelta, but I sure like dual talons for theme)



FAST ATTACK

210 2x1 Javelin Speeders w lascannons/multimelta

95 1 other Landspeeder of some sort

(figure they can be my little bit of anti-tank and also absorb some Overwatch)



Should be about 2K on the dot.

Flaws:


Improvements:

Thanks for the suggestions. I realized that the Serrated Sun will not permit any allies either so I'll for sure need some more Word Bearers Line units!

For Gal Vorbak variety's sake...would 40k Possessed be decent proxies, or are the Forgeworld ones bigger? Kinda hard to tell from the pictures. Sometimes I think FW infantry looks bigger online, then I see them in person and they're tinier than expected.

Personally I wouldn't recommend them unless you have lots of other parts to un-Chaos them as well. They're the same kind of size but far more 40k aesthetic than the Heresy Word Bearers.

I've seen the chaos possessed used and mixed in with the gal vorbak on the table and it looks absolutely fine. Like gert says I'd recommend changing out some of more "40k" bits if you can but they absolutely do fit in when they're all painted the same

Sometimes I find that shaving off the excess Chaos symbols and arrows and stuff helps get things more sleek like 30k seems to favor.

More complicated would be to convert a Contemptor into a Mhara Gal Dreadnought....

Looking at the sprues it's still going to be a fair bit of work to get them de-Chaosed. Even if you take off most of the Chaos markings they're still going to be far more in line with 40k stuff than the rest of a Heresy army.
All I can say for the Contemptor is don't do that. The Mhara Ghal isn't the same as a normal Contemptor:

 Gert wrote:
Personally I wouldn't recommend them unless you have lots of other parts to un-Chaos them as well. They're the same kind of size but far more 40k aesthetic than the Heresy Word Bearers.

The new Possessed, minus some of the trim, are perfect for 30k. They're all just big monsters in power armor with sometimes substantially different designs.

They have a lot more trim than Heresy-era armour patterns. Even Argel Tal doesn't have the level of armour detailing that the 40k Possessed does.
I'm pretty liberal when it comes to using alternate or converted models in HH but if somebody just put some 40k Possessed on the table and called them Gal Vorbak I'd be a bit miffed. I've played a lot of HH, and even in first edition I've never really seen more than one unit of Gal Vorbak in an army. They're good but not so good that you should be dropping the core units to take them.

Thought this was a good showcase of a Word Bearers army. https://youtu.be/AXYFEb56EFc

Personally, I think if the army is painted up with a unifying scheme, I'd have no issues with someone playing with 30k or 40k Gal Vorbak models. This guy does a great job with his and the army looks cohesive and unified. It's the only 40k models in the army though but he steals bits from several 40k models which isn't bad. My issue is when people just port over their 40k army and complain you have to accept their army.

 Gert wrote:

I'm pretty liberal when it comes to using alternate or converted models in HH but if somebody just put some 40k Possessed on the table and called them Gal Vorbak I'd be a bit miffed.

If you were genuinely liberal about these things then a unit of 40k possessed, painted appropriately of course, wouldn't be a problem for you.

OP, you clearly are a person of good taste, I have a very similar WB army, though most of it is unpainted.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
If you were genuinely liberal about these things then a unit of 40k possessed, painted appropriately of course, wouldn't be a problem for you.

It takes almost no effort to make the 40k Possesed models look similar to actual Gal Vorbak.
All you'd need to do is throw in a smattering of non-mutated parts like helmets or shoulder pads.
It'd be the same thing if someone dropped 40k Tacticals on the table with the one Mk6 dude in the squad.
It's not hard to get loads of plastic goodness for HH these days.

I don't follow why you think that the possessed need to be less mutated to pass as Gal Vorbak. I read the novel about the "first possessed" of the Word Bearers (I forget what it's called), their armour was mutated and effectively became part of them. With that kind of possession any mutation can be explained, be it armour or flesh.

You don't need to do anything to make them suitable for 30K.

Please don't compare them to 40k Tacticals vs earlier armour marks, it's not a fair comparsion.

Your point about a higher level of plastic models being available these days for 30k is irrelevant to what we are discussing.

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I get that realism whithin the setting is important to you, and you can choose who you want to play, but you are taking the gatekeeping thing a little too far in this instance, IMHO

Are you genuinely serious? I'm gatekeeping because I think that people should put Heresy gear on their Heresy models?
I'm not demanding extensive cutting or filing, it's a bloody headswap my dude.
It is not an unreasonable expectation.

Getting annoyed by an opponent using Chaos Possessed to add more variety to their Gal Vorbak is a form of hobby gatekeeping, sure.

Again I reiterate that it's not unreasonable to expect some level of Heresy gear present on models used in HH especially if someone already has Heresy models and has spare bits.

You are picking a very weird fight here chief and honestly I'm not sure why. I've not been aggressive or rude to the OP and gave some pretty solid advice both for their army list and regarding modelling IMO.
If I've done something to offend you then I apologise but I'm also not the only person who suggested doing some minor conversion work on the 40k Possessed to allow them to fit better with other HH models in this thread so perhaps you'd like to back off a bit.

 Gert wrote:
Again I reiterate that it's not unreasonable to expect some level of Heresy gear present on models used in HH especially if someone already has Heresy models and has spare bits.

You are picking a very weird fight here chief and honestly I'm not sure why. I've not been aggressive or rude to the OP and gave some pretty solid advice both for their army list and regarding modelling IMO.
If I've done something to offend you then I apologise but I'm also not the only person who suggested doing some minor conversion work on the 40k Possessed to allow them to fit better with other HH models in this thread so perhaps you'd like to back off a bit.

I think they're being insistent on this because of your own words.

 Gert wrote:
They have a lot more trim than Heresy-era armour patterns. Even Argel Tal doesn't have the level of armour detailing that the 40k Possessed does.
I'm pretty liberal when it comes to using alternate or converted models in HH but if somebody just put some 40k Possessed on the table and called them Gal Vorbak I'd be a bit miffed. I've played a lot of HH, and even in first edition I've never really seen more than one unit of Gal Vorbak in an army. They're good but not so good that you should be dropping the core units to take them.

For someone who's "pretty liberal" about alternate models, you don't act that way.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Again I reiterate that it's not unreasonable to expect some level of Heresy gear present on models used in HH especially if someone already has Heresy models and has spare bits.

You are picking a very weird fight here chief and honestly I'm not sure why. I've not been aggressive or rude to the OP and gave some pretty solid advice both for their army list and regarding modelling IMO.
If I've done something to offend you then I apologise but I'm also not the only person who suggested doing some minor conversion work on the 40k Possessed to allow them to fit better with other HH models in this thread so perhaps you'd like to back off a bit.

I think they're being insistent on this because of your own words.

 Gert wrote:
They have a lot more trim than Heresy-era armour patterns. Even Argel Tal doesn't have the level of armour detailing that the 40k Possessed does.
I'm pretty liberal when it comes to using alternate or converted models in HH but if somebody just put some 40k Possessed on the table and called them Gal Vorbak I'd be a bit miffed. I've played a lot of HH, and even in first edition I've never really seen more than one unit of Gal Vorbak in an army. They're good but not so good that you should be dropping the core units to take them.

For someone who's "pretty liberal" about alternate models, you don't act that way.

Considering the variance between 'no alternate models whatsoever' and 'go ahead and use some pennies to represent those fulmentarus' I'd say Gert's position and label are accurate.

 Gert wrote:
Again I reiterate that it's not unreasonable to expect some level of Heresy gear present on models used in HH especially if someone already has Heresy models and has spare bits.

You are picking a very weird fight here chief and honestly I'm not sure why. I've not been aggressive or rude to the OP and gave some pretty solid advice both for their army list and regarding modelling IMO.
If I've done something to offend you then I apologise but I'm also not the only person who suggested doing some minor conversion work on the 40k Possessed to allow them to fit better with other HH models in this thread so perhaps you'd like to back off a bit.

Honestly, it's not a fight to me, not a confrontation of any sort. I don't have a problem with any individual on this site, just what I perceive to be negativity in general.

I thought we were having a genuine discussion, you haven't offended me at all, but I'm happy to explain my thinking: When you said that you were liberal about what models other people used, then said something to immediately contradict yourself (I'd be miffed if somebody used some Possessed in their Gal Vorbak squad), it made me think of the couple of times when I've been made to feel unwelcome by strangers that I've played against. Tutting, or rolling their eyes because they don't approve of...something?

It's this kind of behaviour that puts off a lot of people in the hobby, for me it's very rare that I game with people that I'm not already friends with, and that's kinda sad TBH.

I've already justified why I think that Gal Vorbak are fine to use in 30k (extreme mutations, warp shizzles). I respect your opinion, I'm happy to agree to disagree.

 Gert wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
If you were genuinely liberal about these things then a unit of 40k possessed, painted appropriately of course, wouldn't be a problem for you.

It takes almost no effort to make the 40k Possesed models look similar to actual Gal Vorbak.
All you'd need to do is throw in a smattering of non-mutated parts like helmets or shoulder pads.
It'd be the same thing if someone dropped 40k Tacticals on the table with the one Mk6 dude in the squad.
It's not hard to get loads of plastic goodness for HH these days.

? I mean i agree with the sentiment but it's not the mutations that are the issue, but rather the Armor, being CSM are a mish-mash of things that are not yet fielded in HH timeline and the 40k possessed have FAAAR too much trim.

Contrary i think if one would use a possessed box with the upcoming MK III and MK VI that'd make for some great gal vorbak.