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Very simple alteration to a currently pretty poor choice.

'Uge Choppa: 15pts for Warboss, 5pts for nobz etc.
+2S heavy close combat weapon, strikes at I2.

Keeps the flavour of the old rules ? a huge and cumbersome axe; but becomes effective against necrons and other orks. In particular, it become effective when the mob is charged in cover, and gives a first-strike capability against powerfists.

Thoughts?

Maybe it could also be used as a squad upgrade, to make up for the basic orks low strenght.

We toyed with that idea, but came to the conclusion that basic orks, being the generic 'bad guy' of the 40k universe, shouldn't be generally stronger than the generix 'guy' of the universe.

Might work on skarboyz; or as an alternative to big shootas/rokkit upgrade.

Is your version two-handed (in that you can't get the two weapon attack bonus when using it)? Because if so it is definitely not worth 15 points considering the PKlaw is 25.


I personally think the best idea is to keep it as a Choppa as is (w/ the +2 Strength of course), but make it strike in normal Initiative order.

That gives a Nob 4 S6 Attacks on the charge, or 3 normally.

Actually, 15 points is still probably too expensive for that. 10 points is actually more appropriate (although leave it at 15 points for the Warboss with his S5, make it a 10/15 point weapon).

Hmmm so a weapon with +2 str, one handed, highest save is a 4+? Sounds pretty nuts but it could work for 10 points. When you consider what you are getting in any other army in a similar fasion.

Power weapons are as cheap and I'd think about equal since they get a 4+ save vs the increased wounding chances.

Now these guys against nids are actually quite fun. The hidden Nob beating on a fex before it goes is a nice thing.

why gone? just charge the fex with 20 Skarboyz. you won't need a powerclaw.

the current Problem ist just, why should I take a 'uge Choppa if I can get a powerklaw which just does everything better?

Please revise my last sentence as follows:

"Now, these guys (with this new rule) would be fun against nids. As the 'Uge choppa would allow the nob a chance of killing the fex before it goes, or at least wounding it with the 4+ save max. It's almost more insulting. "

There, now it makes sense in how I meant it. I'm tired.

Power klaws are 25 points. With the revision the 'Uge Choppa is only 10 with awesome properties.

Not really.

Powerclaw on S4 nob gets: Instakill on T4, ability to wound anything almost anything on a 2+, no armor save allowed, ability to hurt AV14 (not much, but it is a chance), ability to hurt the really big things on lower numbers, cool snickity snickity noise.

U'ge choppa with revision gets: instakill on T3, ability to wound almost anything trooper on a 2+, 4+ is best save you get, ability to hurt AV12 (not so much), ability to hurt big guys on a 4+ or higher, neat swooshy noise.

The major differences are the armor damaging potential, instakill of marines, a 4+ save is 50% than no save, and ability to hurt MCs and other nasties that the Uge Choppa can't really compete with. Those aren't small differences.

Im just saying because of cost they would be effective. I'm not saying the 'Uge Choppa is better in every situation but it gives a great cheap MEq slaying device. I dont use my Berserkers or Bloodletters for tank popping. I use my Obliterators or DP to do the anti tank role.

It seems to me like a powersword. I love em because it negates armor saves and is useful when Initiative counts. Sure, a hidden powerfist is more powerful and can be much more useful but it is more expensive and well sometimes initiative matters. Like when WAAAAGHing. Imagine WAAAGHing at initiative 2? No, you WAAAGH to beat out other initiatives and hit first.

This Dakka 'Uge Choppa would be great for hitting first in WAAAGHs or downing Necrons and Termies.

I think we are on the same page. This time I misunderstood.

Anyone tries to tweak my 'uge choppa and I'll smack them!

I think the Uge Choppa works great for a warboss since most of the time people will most likely deny attacks on the warboss in HtH by removing the models around him first.

Very Simple. Increase the Cost of the Huge Choppa to 20 points Warboss, 15 points for a Nob. Change the text to a +2 Str, Strikes at Initiative, Two handed Weapon, Power Weapon...

I wouldn't mind paying 5 points less for the +2 str power weapon on my warboss. It gives me an opportunity to finally charge something use the Waagh to get to I8 and actually kill something! It is more points than a convential power weapon for a vet sar. Gives greater strength but not additional attacks as it is a two handed weapon.

On a side note, I want to buy my Warboss a rokkitpack.