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Hi All

Looking to put a 3k army together for casual games. most likely playing against othe legion armies or mechanicus. I want to keep it SOH themed and including some reavers and justaerians, first HH army list at this size and wanted to ask if anyone has any advice on the list below? anything that is a must include I have missed and any nice to haves.experience has been 40k up to now from Rogue Trader to last edition. We usually play on a dense board with lots of cover saves available, not a lot of terrain sthat slows infantry and tend to lean into infantry more than tanks but we are looking to possibly add kinghts into the armies as lord of war detachments

Notes on the list
Rhinos - 1 in the list could add another for quicker objectives
SOH Legion Champion - maybe include to accompany Reavers

The list thinking is 3 tacticals to grab objectives, reavers to assault centre on foot or rhino with justaerians in land raider, dreads on either flank to support tacticals, heavy support squad sits back and covers the advance and picks priority targets with missile launchers. world eater assault squad with legion champion goes where it is needed to either challenge characters knock out armour or tar pit enemy units till the reavers and terminators arrive

XVI - Sons of Horus - allies - [2960 Point(s), 4 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [2695 Point(s), 4 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Allegiance
Allegiance: Traitor

## Army Configuration
Rite of War: Legiones Astartes Sons of Horus (Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction)

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [585 Point(s)]
## Command [220 Point(s)]
Centurion [100 Point(s)]: Volkite serpenta [5 Point(s)], Carsoran power axe [15 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
Centurion in Terminator Armour [120 Point(s)]:
• 1x Cataphractii Centurion [20 Point(s)]: Cataphractii, Combi-melta [10 Point(s)], Chainfist [10 Point(s)]
Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)

## War-engine [180 Point(s)]
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: Gravis autocannon [10 Point(s)], Gravis power fist with in-built ranged weapon [5 Point(s)], Graviton gun [10 Point(s)], Havoc launcher [5 Point(s)]

## Troops [110 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol
Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - War-engine))

## Transport [75 Point(s)]
Rhino [75 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted heavy flamer [10 Point(s)], Pintle Mounted Bolter, Dozer blade [5 Point(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Tactical Support ++ [225 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Support [225 Point(s)]
Heavy Support Squad [135 Point(s)]: Missile launcher [75 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Augury scanner [10 Point(s)]
• 3x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol
Tactical Support Squad [90 Point(s)]: Plasma gun [50 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolt pistol
• 4x Legionary [8 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - First Strike ++ [105 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Fast Attack [105 Point(s)]
Scimitar Jetbike Squadron [105 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Scimitar Sergeant [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Plasma cannon [10 Point(s)]
• 2x Scimitar Hunter [30 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Heavy bolter

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Apothecarion Delegation ++ [240 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Support - Apothecary Only [60 Point(s)]
Apothecary [30 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Narthecium, Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - War-engine))
Apothecary [30 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Narthecium

## War-engine [180 Point(s)]
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: Twin lascannon [15 Point(s)], Gravis chainfist with in-built ranged weapon [5 Point(s)], Heavy flamer [5 Point(s)], Havoc launcher [5 Point(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Supremecy Cadre ++ [1540 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Elites [615 Point(s)]
Justaerin Terminator Squad [615 Point(s)]:
• 3x Justaerin [55 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Carsoran power axe [5 Point(s)]
• 2x Justaerin [60 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Power fist [10 Point(s)]
• 2x Justaerin [60 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Thunder hammer [10 Point(s)]
• 1x Justaerin [60 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Chainfist [10 Point(s)]
• 1x Justaerin [60 Point(s)]: Heavy flamer [10 Point(s)], Power sword
• 1x Justaerin [65 Point(s)]: Multi-melta [15 Point(s)], Power sword

## Troops [220 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol
Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Transport))
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol

## Heavy Assault [305 Point(s)]
Reaver Attack Squad [305 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Reaver Chieftain [20 Point(s)]: Volkite serpenta [5 Point(s)], Carsoran power axe [15 Point(s)]
• 2x Reaver [32 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power maul [10 Point(s)]
• 1x Reaver [37 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power fist [15 Point(s)]
• 1x Reaver [27 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Flamer [5 Point(s)]
• 5x Reaver [22 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe

## Heavy Transport [400 Point(s)]
Spartan Assault Tank [400 Point(s)]:
• 1x Spartan: Twin heavy flamer, Two Sponson Mounted lascannon arrays

# XII - World Eaters - ++ Allied Detachment and its Auxiliary ++ [265 Point(s)]
## Army Configuration
Rite of War: Legiones Hereticus World Eaters (Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction)

# XII - World Eaters - ++ Allied Detachment ++ [265 Point(s)]
## Command [100 Point(s)]
Centurion [100 Point(s)]: Volkite serpenta [5 Point(s)], Thunder hammer [15 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)

## Troops [165 Point(s)]
Assault Squad [165 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant [15 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power fist [15 Point(s)]
• 4x Legionary [12 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 2x Legionary [17 Point(s)]: Heavy chainsword - also swaps Bolt pistol/Combat shield [5 Point(s)]
• 3x Legionary [12 Point(s)]: Chainaxe, Bolt pistol

First, I'd be concerned about the lack of anyone giving you Master of the Legion for an extra Reaction. It is not a Terra-shattering issue, but something to bear in mind.

Secondly, whilst you have a rhino to get you around in the first turn or two, I am a little worried that once your squads are on foot, there is not much speed in your army to get people to where they need to be. At the very least, add that second rhino so you can redploy if you realise you have deployed poorly. You have the World Eaters, but Assault Squads have underperformed this edition for me (I have two in my Blood Angels list). I admit to not playing much 3rd edition though. I like the fact the WEs have a range of different weapons, but think it would be good to squeeze in a couple of power weapons for the AP3. A Power Fist on the sergeant feels like overkill. If you charge them into the sort of target where the first is needed, you've already sacrificed the rest of the squad and he won't get the job done alone.

Is the WE Centurion meant to have a jump pack? He'd give the unit more punch. Also, your notes say Champion, but the list says Centurion.

I'm not sure about the missile launchers on the Heavy Support. They are versatile, sure but at the cost of being a jack of all trades, master of none.

Unlike most people, I like plasma guns this edition. I think they got worse, sure, but still have a great role this edition.

I've never used Scimitar jetbikes, but from what I have faced in the past, the HBs won't achieve much, so I'd suggest go triple plasma cannon or lose the squad altogether.

I think your dreads would be better if one were combat-focused and the other range-focused, but that is a subjective opinion. As you are using them to support tacticals, there is a possible case for your loadout.

Am I miscounting, btw, because you've used Logistical Benefits to get the two dreads, but it looks to me like you could take another detachment for one and use the Prime Benefit for Combat Veterans on the Tacticals?

I always love Justaerin. One multi-melta on its own won't achieve much this edition though. Either take two meltas or none, I suggest. A full squad of 10 is OVERKILL, but also very cool.

cheers

still getting used to what does what

High command for the extra reaction and second rhino I will look into

The WE centurion is with a jump pack, was thinking champion originally till i realised he has to have the paragon blade and wanted to give him a bit more stopping power with the thunder hammer

the heavy squad with missiles and plasma tac support are models i already have from a few years back, need to really look at the weapons and how effective they are against vehicles

With the dreads I was a little woried going the full mortis load out and not having much melee ability but will look at the loadout
The scimitar models I absolutrely love so where an auto include, my old 7th or 8th edition 40k army had lots of land speeders and worked great at threatening objectives or grabbing a point end game
the justaerians at 10 is probably overkill and expensive but cant have a half empty Spartan!! plus anyne seeing them roll towards them is going freak out

Okay just had a play and reduced the number of Justaerians which gave a lot of points back and played around with a few other bits
XVI - Sons of Horus - list 1 - [2996 Point(s), 5 Auxiliary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [2589 Point(s), 5 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Allegiance
Allegiance: Traitor

## Army Configuration
Rite of War: Legiones Astartes Sons of Horus (Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction)

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [999 Point(s)]
## High Command [137 Point(s)]
Praetor [137 Point(s)]: Carsoran power axe [15 Point(s)], Volkite charger [2 Point(s)], One Auxiliary Detachment

## Command [212 Point(s)]
Centurion [92 Point(s)]: Power sword [10 Point(s)], Volkite charger [2 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)
Centurion in Terminator Armour [120 Point(s)]:
• 1x Cataphractii Centurion [20 Point(s)]: Cataphractii, Combi-melta [10 Point(s)], Chainfist [10 Point(s)]

## Troops [110 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol
Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Transport))

## Transport [140 Point(s)]
Rhino [70 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted heavy flamer [10 Point(s)], Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [70 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted heavy flamer [10 Point(s)], Pintle Mounted Bolter

## Heavy Transport [400 Point(s)]
Spartan Assault Tank [400 Point(s)]:
• 1x Spartan: Twin heavy bolter, Two Sponson Mounted lascannon arrays

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Tactical Support ++ [215 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Support [215 Point(s)]
Heavy Support Squad [125 Point(s)]: Missile launcher [75 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolt pistol
• 4x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol
Tactical Support Squad [90 Point(s)]: Plasma gun [50 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolt pistol
• 4x Legionary [8 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Heavy Support ++ [180 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## War-engine [180 Point(s)]
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: Gravis power fist with in-built ranged weapon [5 Point(s)], Gravis autocannon [10 Point(s)], Graviton gun [10 Point(s)], Havoc launcher [5 Point(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - First Strike ++ [125 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Fast Attack [125 Point(s)]
Scimitar Jetbike Squadron [125 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Scimitar Sergeant [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Plasma cannon [10 Point(s)]
• 2x Scimitar Hunter [40 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Plasma cannon [10 Point(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Apothecarion Delegation ++ [240 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Support - Apothecary Only [60 Point(s)]
Apothecary [30 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Narthecium, Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - War-engine))
Apothecary [30 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Narthecium

## War-engine [180 Point(s)]
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: 2x Twin lascannon [15 Point(s)]

# XVI - Sons of Horus - ++ Auxiliary - Supremecy Cadre ++ [830 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
## Elites [320 Point(s)]
Justaerin Terminator Squad [320 Point(s)]:
• 1x Justaerin [65 Point(s)]: Multi-melta [15 Point(s)], Power sword
• 2x Justaerin [55 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Carsoran power axe [5 Point(s)]
• 2x Justaerin [60 Point(s)]: Banestrike combi-bolter, Thunder hammer [10 Point(s)]

## Troops [220 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol
Prime Unit (Combat Veterans)
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Chainsword, Bolt pistol
• 1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol, Nuncio-vox [10 Point(s)]
• 8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolter, Bolt pistol
Prime Unit (Combat Veterans)

## Heavy Assault [290 Point(s)]
Reaver Attack Squad [290 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Reaver Chieftain [20 Point(s)]: Volkite serpenta [5 Point(s)], Carsoran power axe [15 Point(s)]
• 1x Reaver [27 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Flamer [5 Point(s)]
• 2x Reaver [32 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power maul [10 Point(s)]
• 6x Reaver [22 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe

# XII - World Eaters - ++ Allied Detachment and its Auxiliary ++ [407 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]
## Army Configuration
Rite of War: Legiones Astartes World Eaters (Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction)

# XII - World Eaters - ++ Allied Detachment ++ [137 Point(s)]
## Command [137 Point(s)]
Delegatus [137 Point(s)]: One Apex Detachment
• 1x Delegatus with Jump Pack [37 Point(s)]: Jump Pack [20 Point(s)], Volkite charger [2 Point(s)], Thunder hammer [15 Point(s)], Frag grenades, Krak grenades
Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)

# XII - World Eaters - ++ Apex - Army Vanguard ++ [270 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]
## Elites [270 Point(s)]
Veteran Assault Squad [270 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Veteran Sergeant [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power sword [10 Point(s)]
• 2x Veteran Legionary [32 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Power maul [10 Point(s)]
• 3x Veteran Legionary [22 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainaxe
• 2x Veteran Legionary [27 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Heavy chainsword [5 Point(s)]
• 2x Veteran Legionary [22 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword
Prime Unit (Master Sergeant)