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We make fun, brothers, but let us remember what is at stake. From one of our young brothers in another thread:

Zond wrote:
I'm tempted just to pledge for paints. Although I night stay for the models even if PVC, sacrificing my sanity for final answers, proving my valour to the Restic Knights. I shall fall on to my sword, broken, bent, twisted. Not through injury but merely as I forgot to use hot water to straighten things out.

We do not promote self-flagellation or martyrdom here, brother. Others have already sacrificed, and we stand upon the knowledge they claimed, through drops of blood sprinkled on unholy plastic.

Only venture forth when you are sure, brother, not wavering as you are now.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The quality has gone down since then, some of my deadzone stuff doesn't have faces.

Without faces, how will we know when they are in pain? How will we know, brothers?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
When a really bad example comes out would you call it a kick in the resticles?

Or Mantic standard quality.

 RiTides wrote:
My eyes! Why must you torment us so, Azazel? Would you hold out a drink before a man dying of thirst in the desert? Even a cup of bitter saltwater, half filled with sand may tempt him.

Brothers, only open the above images after reminding yourselves of who you are- Restic Knights, not to be tricked by this fool's gold, no matter the pretty packaging (renders and artwork) it is presented with!

Take heed of the soft and lacking detail, and be not led astray by the beguiling model who tempts you to taste such an unsatisfying draught. Knights of the somewhat round table, remember who you are!

Thank you, brother. This malady compels me and my thoughts turn not entirely my own.

Maybe it's not as bad as it looks? It could be a poor photograph(?) not indicative of what I'll actually receive. I'm certain with some careful attention and fine paint, I could change her.

Lies! Do not listen!

The resounding voice of RiTides cuts through this fog entreating me take hold of my sanity and fight! I listen and raise my shield, its blob-like undiscernable emblem glinting in the clouded hall.

My thanks, brothers. The Knights Plastic have saved me once more. We falter but never again shall we fall!

Always remember catechism 7:

I am not that good of a painter, and never will be.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Always remember catechism 7:

I am not that good of a painter, and never will be.

You must finish the catechsim brother! "To paint detail onto thine horrid plastic flesh, to recreate beauty where none exists!"

Though I have resisted joining these halls of Dakka for a great time, this cause is far too great for me to remain silent.

I, too, shall join the crusade against the accursed Restic.

My initial confrontation with it was through Privateer Press, from several factions (including some of the worst offenders: the Cryx battlebox and Convergence).

I was tempted, and succumbed, by Relic Knights, and pledge an obscene amount to obtain all of those models. I was initially hopeful, as I had the metal and resin models from Soda Pop, and thought, naively, that perhaps even though I heard these would be made by the same hell-forge that produced the Privateer Press restics, these would somehow be better.

Then I saw the recent photos of the "final production" samples from Soda Pop, and realized that I had been decieved--both by the Deke and by my own, lustful heart.

And now I fear deeply that I shall be burned yet again by the Wrath of Kings...

We must band together, and offer our strength of numbers to avoid this accursed plague on our hobby, and steer the innocent away from this vile beast.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Always remember catechism 7:

I am not that good of a painter, and never will be.

Tis true. Tis true.

Also, do not be swayed by those dark hearted silver tongued daemons who attempt to peddle these shrunken victuals. Do not be swayed by fancy paintwork. Beware the dire temptations of the bared boob, the exposed genitals and the full rounded curves! For to be tempted by that path leads to damnation. Finally, we must know the many names of the horror, for us to know its name is anathema to the shrunken beast. We know it as, PVC, Restic, Warcast but what other disguises does this horror have?

They all come with but one purpose - to ensure your thumbs bleed, to keep your knives blunt and to crush your very soul!

 Valander wrote:
Though I have resisted joining these halls of Dakka for a great time, this cause is far too great for me to remain silent.

I, too, shall join the crusade against the accursed Restic.

My initial confrontation with it was through Privateer Press, from several factions (including some of the worst offenders: the Cryx battlebox and Convergence).

I was tempted, and succumbed, by Relic Knights, and pledge an obscene amount to obtain all of those models. I was initially hopeful, as I had the metal and resin models from Soda Pop, and thought, naively, that perhaps even though I heard these would be made by the same hell-forge that produced the Privateer Press restics, these would somehow be better.

Then I saw the recent photos of the "final production" samples from Soda Pop, and realized that I had been decieved--both by the Deke and by my own, lustful heart.

And now I fear deeply that I shall be burned yet again by the Wrath of Kings...

We must band together, and offer our strength of numbers to avoid this accursed plague on our hobby, and steer the innocent away from this vile beast.

Wow, hi Valander. I was confused there for a second, thought I had changed tabs without realizing it Glad you could join us, oh Infernal Penguin!

I am with you though, waiting to receive and weep upon my box of Relic Knights, and increasingly concerned over my Wrath of Kings order. I am alway torn when I see a new plastic unit from PP, as the cost savings over metal is so nice, but having to clean and prep the models is really obnoxious. So much so that I continually find myself spending more on counts-as models that I won't be able to use in official tournaments anyway.

Remember: Restic hurts those who can bear it the least, those without impulse control.

Hey - We're not so 'anonymous' - that's a bit goofy.

 Wehrkind wrote:

 Valander wrote:
Though I have resisted joining these halls of Dakka for a great time, this cause is far too great for me to remain silent.

I, too, shall join the crusade against the accursed Restic.

My initial confrontation with it was through Privateer Press, from several factions (including some of the worst offenders: the Cryx battlebox and Convergence).

I was tempted, and succumbed, by Relic Knights, and pledge an obscene amount to obtain all of those models. I was initially hopeful, as I had the metal and resin models from Soda Pop, and thought, naively, that perhaps even though I heard these would be made by the same hell-forge that produced the Privateer Press restics, these would somehow be better.

Then I saw the recent photos of the "final production" samples from Soda Pop, and realized that I had been decieved--both by the Deke and by my own, lustful heart.

And now I fear deeply that I shall be burned yet again by the Wrath of Kings...

We must band together, and offer our strength of numbers to avoid this accursed plague on our hobby, and steer the innocent away from this vile beast.

Wow, hi Valander. I was confused there for a second, thought I had changed tabs without realizing it Glad you could join us, oh Infernal Penguin!

The Infernal Penguin??!? On Dakka? In our order? Behold brothers! Behold the Omen of the coming resticalypse !

Greetings my fellow Restic Knights. I am MIC, also know as Miniatures In Color. I did not know I was buying into the Restic situation, and that it would be such a hardship for me. But I have come to find out that I too am now a Restic Knight and I have a problem.

Thankfully there is Free-Bay, I can sell this crap as soon as it lands on my doorstep... but I must confess, I also suffer from Figmentia and have a Figmata complex, so letting go, even of horrid miniatures made from this sad pathetic material maybe harder for me than it is for you. But I will try to be strong, I will try to up hold our oath to one another. I will stop arguing with White Knights on the Soda Pop forums for I fear they are lost to us. Those poor wretched souls. Have piety on them for they are blind to the reality of the hell they live in.

LOL, Wow Valander, people sure love to kiss your ass. I have known you since the 3rd grade, oh wait its that whole you were purple thing.. I get it.. I guess our long relationship and friendship that jades me from all that is the Daemonic Penguin, I have become blind to its greatness. LOL


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This, this right here, is BAD ASS! I hope you dont mind but it is my Avatar on Facebook now. Must spread the word.. and I plan to print this out and make it banners for my banner holders, no matter the game.

 basement.dweller wrote:

Because apparently I've got too much time on my hands...

( QUESTION: Why is my name in yellow and evereyone else seems to be in orange? just curious is all. )

Hi Valander and MIC. Thanks for joining, and sharing. It is a welcome sight to see brothers from distant lands flocking together to aid one another in our common cause!

 MiniaturesInColor wrote:
... but I must confess, I also suffer from Figmentia and have a Figmata complex, so letting go, even of horrid miniatures made from this sad pathetic material maybe harder for me than it is for you.

Ah, the weakness in us all, that the restic menace so easily exposes. For by it's very cheapness, it comes at such a great cost- more and more models, of ever lower quality, pile up in our basements. They have become a veritable ball and chain for each of us, keeping us bound to that from which we most desire to be freed.

But take heart, brother! The time has come to step into the light, to spill forth the hidden bowels of our restic hoards, to name that which has caused us to fall so far:

"Devil, thy name is RESTIC!"

 RiTides wrote:
To Alpharius- As you say, we are a circle here, with no head and no foot.

No WE ARE RESTIC KNIGTS, JUST BLOBS OF PLASTIC, WITH NO DETAIL, WE ARE THE FACELESS!


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 RiTides wrote:
Hi Valander and MIC. Thanks for joining, and sharing. It is a welcome sight to see brothers from distant lands flocking together to aid one another in our common cause!

Ah, the weakness in us all, that the restic menace so easily exposes. For by it's very cheapness, it comes at such a great cost- more and more models, of ever lower quality, pile up in our basements. They have become a veritable ball and chain for each of us, keeping us bound to that from which we most desire to be freed.

But take heart, brother! The time has come to step into the light, to spill forth the hidden bowels of our restic hoards, to name that which has caused us to fall so far:

"Devil, thy name is RESTIC!"

Thanks for the Welcome, My Devil is known by thy name Relic Knights. This has saddened me due to the false promises, the lies, and lack of communication by CMON and Soda Pop. My Pain runs deep, and the scars are still fresh and pink. Statements like, "Sorry for the delay, we want to be sure to bring you the highest quality product we can so these delays will ensure that we bring your the best quality we can." Now we have blobs of plastic, faceless models, pictures that hide and disguise what we all know to be the truth, FACELESS POD PEOPLE! THE HORROR, THE HORROR!



Decided to make that an Avatar. We are the Faceless.

The PVC. It mocks us!

 Azazelx wrote:
The PVC. It mocks us!

The daemon's claimed her head and mutilated those children! This cannot stand!

The horror that is restic...my eyes can barely take it!




Don't worry, hot water will fix it! Everybody loves bent guns.

Best picture ever.

Is that a mantic deadzone marauder?

Yes, but I've gotten results like that from GW's plastic orcs before. I really hate that style of breaking up bits.

Definitely. Wrist joints are fine for single handed weapons, but as soon as you have to line up both wrists, it can get a lot worse very quickly.

I've started going through my storage drawers. It's time for a culling. I already have too many projects going on and I think it's time to root out the last of the hard grey PVC blasphemy. Just as a beaten child can't help but forward abuse onto the next generation, I will inflict my PVC on an unwitting eBay buyer.

 RedSarge wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
Always remember catechism 7:

I am not that good of a painter, and never will be.

You must finish the catechsim brother! "To paint detail onto thine horrid plastic flesh, to recreate beauty where none exists!"

It doesn't take much to improve a debacle

Thank you for the effigies reminding us of our dark past, brother agnosto. Though it pains us to see them now, may it strengthen our resolve when the tempter comes. For cometh he will! We must be ever vigilant, lest the weak among us fall.

Fallen Frontiers has confirmed that they're using HIPS. Now, if only there was a starter box I wanted to buy...

I too submitted a large bid to McVey and Sedition Wars. Purged it right away.

Now my kickstarters are more towards this where the mini's are a bonus - vs the actual product.

Having played Aegyptus, I was sucked right in. Now I know better.

I was able to recoup some of my money by selling off my Sedition Wars and Kings of War miniatures.

I hope that Relic Knights and Wrath of Kings turn out OK, though I've got less confidence about the RK stuff vs. the WoK stuff...

Thank you brothers, despite being burned by Sedition Wars and Mantic I have been queuing with the pilgrims on the road to Drakerys.

Thine commitment to rooting out this heresy has brought enlightenment unto me in mine time of need and I have been able to step back from the precipice and pull my pledge before that dastardly material could cleave mine hopes in twain once more.

 frozenwastes wrote:
I first got restic when Privateer started using it. When their two player starters for warmachine came out, I got a bunch of menoth stuff for cheap off of eBay. It was pretty disappointing, but I got the figures in shape and they painted up alright. I made the mistake of painting one jack before I hot water straightened it's weapons and now it just keeps bending back each time I straighten it. I'm worried if I try to hot water straighten it now, the paint would be damaged or flake off or something.

I used the hot water method on my painted MOW Shocktrooper weapons after their weapons got bent due to pressure from being inside my case. The paint held up OK.

I neither decry restic as a charlatan's tool, nor do I claim that restic is the path to enlightenment. While its performance is limited based on its properties, the final outcome is also greatly determined by the skill of its employer. I first met the restic hordes in the Privateer Press theatre and cursed the mess of mould lines that poured forth from my new purchase. In time, by spending valuable skill points in "wield x-acto", I was able to reduce my penalty to remove mould-line to a -2 skill check. Some mould lines to this day, still resist my abilities to remove, but I have learned that some battles are better off not fought. While acceptable for models with large surfaces, the PP Cyriss models are a disaster. At one point, I sent a recon force into the Reaper theatre... There has yet to be any report from this foray, as I have yet to do anything with the test model. While the details aren't what modellers are accustomed to... they are... acceptable, and more akin to the features of yesteryear... like Dungeons and Dragons figures from the dreaded AGE OF LEAD. (NOTE: The prices are similar to the AGE OF LEAD, so I don't know what the bellyaching regarding BONES is). We were able to overcome the featureless masses then, and we should be able to overcome now.

 Baragash wrote:
Thank you brothers, despite being burned by Sedition Wars and Mantic I have been queuing with the pilgrims on the road to Drakerys.

Thine commitment to rooting out this heresy has brought enlightenment unto me in mine time of need and I have been able to step back from the precipice and pull my pledge before that dastardly material could cleave mine hopes in twain once more.

AZAZELX that pledge brother - AZAZELX it!!!

Though I think the scenery there has been confirmed as 'hard plastic'?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Baragash wrote:
Thank you brothers, despite being burned by Sedition Wars and Mantic I have been queuing with the pilgrims on the road to Drakerys.

Thine commitment to rooting out this heresy has brought enlightenment unto me in mine time of need and I have been able to step back from the precipice and pull my pledge before that dastardly material could cleave mine hopes in twain once more.

AZAZELX that pledge brother - AZAZELX it!!!

Though I think the scenery there has been confirmed as 'hard plastic'?

I thought that was a malevolent illusion that bewitched us? (Translation: TBH I wasn't in for scenery anyway so I haven't been paying attention, but I kept getting the feeling that "hard plastic" was referring to the type of restic they were using rather than what we all mean by "hard plastic". Because companies aren't at all evasive about what material they're using on Kickstarter........what was that? Did someone shout "Mantic" from the back?)

Good question Baragash - I thought 'hard plastic' for the terrain meant just that, and that the SUPER-DOOPER IMPROOVED PVC was just for the miniatures.

keezus wrote:I sent a recon force into the Reaper theatre... There has yet to be any report from this foray, as I have yet to do anything with the test model. While the details aren't what modellers are accustomed to... they are... acceptable, and more akin to the features of yesteryear... like Dungeons and Dragons figures from the dreaded AGE OF LEAD. (NOTE: The prices are similar to the AGE OF LEAD, so I don't know what the bellyaching regarding BONES is). We were able to overcome the featureless masses then, and we should be able to overcome now.

Thanks for letting me know about the hot water thing turning out alright with your painted miniature. I will try doing the hot water trick on my already painted warjack. Hopefully it won't mandate a repaint.

It is entirely dependent on the sculpt for what works with bones. When your recon force reports, you will find the results will be based entirely on whether or not the given sculpt was suitable for the material. If the recon force happens upon a sculpt with shallow detail that metal would faithfully produce, the reports will be most negative. if, on the other hand, the sculpt in question is deep and exaggerated in its details, the reports will be positive.

Someone made a thread with the same miniature in both Bones and Metal

http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/47477-bathalian-bones-vs-metal-challenge/

Had he either straightened the staff with the hot water trick or intentionally bent the metal one to fool people, it would be a lot harder to tell on detail alone.



Fortunately the hot water trick largely fixes problems like that. It's all about avoiding the sculpts that are unsuited to the material, using the hot water trick and using a sufficiently high quality file to remove the mould lines.

I would actually argue that Bones PVC isn't the same animal as the hard grey PVC. It's still no styrene. And certainly not metal nor resin. But I would take a Bones miniature over a Mantic "sprueless plastic" miniature or a Privateer plastic miniature any day of the week.

Will I ever buy a Bones miniature sight unseen? Not a chance. Will I ever participate in a Bones related Kickstarter? No way. Instead I get to see what I'm buying in person at the local store and decide if the sculpt works in Bones or not before I buy it. I helped my friend sort his dump of miniatures from the first Bones kickstarter and there were too many that I considered rejects to ever buy them blind.