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Mario wrote:

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:That is fething insane. Do you WANT an Orwellian dystopia? Because that is how you get an Orwellian dystopia.

Yeah, about that: https://www.theguardian.com/media/pda/2010/sep/27/advertising-billboards-facial-recognition-japan

There was also recently an article about some digital billboard that crashed and people could identify bits and pieces of the facial recognition code (Sweden, I think?)

Yes, and? I find these billboards worrying.

I don't think the claim was that it'll be positive for society,

 legoburner wrote:
It will be a big net positive for society as a whole...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I reject your claim that it will be a net positive for society. It will be an authoritarian nightmare that will hand over complete control of society to Governments.

Even worse than that, it will hand control of society to angry internet mobs. At least authoritarian governments tend to tire of pointless, ideological cruelty within a few years and just settle down to only oppressing people to protect their power and privilege. But with this plan there will always be a new crop of enthusiastic amateurs ready to prove their own virtue by destroying some person who said or did something wrong.

Shadow Captain Edithae: About the legoburner quote you quoted just now. That was nested three deep. I though you were replying to the quoted part directly above and that legoburner quote read to me more along the lines of "it's unavoidable", not necessarily positive (I hadn't even looked at the other two quotes two or three layers deep in that quote but didn't want to mess the quotes up too much by deleting even more stuff). I hope that makes sense.

That's also why I quoted your other quote separately (with the multiquote feature). Yes, those billboards are worrying. I was just trying to show that this stuff has been already invisibly creeping into our lives without us knowing or expecting it. The Orwellian dystopia that you fear is coming has just parked and already started unloading its tech. Your warning is too late.

 sebster wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I reject your claim that it will be a net positive for society. It will be an authoritarian nightmare that will hand over complete control of society to Governments.

Even worse than that, it will hand control of society to angry internet mobs. At least authoritarian governments tend to tire of pointless, ideological cruelty within a few years and just settle down to only oppressing people to protect their power and privilege. But with this plan there will always be a new crop of enthusiastic amateurs ready to prove their own virtue by destroying some person who said or did something wrong.

Um, aren't we already at the point where an "angry internet mob" can destroy someone's public life just because they don't like something person has said/done?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I reject your claim that it will be a net positive for society. It will be an authoritarian nightmare that will hand over complete control of society to Governments.

Even worse than that, it will hand control of society to angry internet mobs. At least authoritarian governments tend to tire of pointless, ideological cruelty within a few years and just settle down to only oppressing people to protect their power and privilege. But with this plan there will always be a new crop of enthusiastic amateurs ready to prove their own virtue by destroying some person who said or did something wrong.

Um, aren't we already at the point where an "angry internet mob" can destroy someone's public life just because they don't like something person has said/done?

Yes but this will hand them a powerful weapon.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Um, aren't we already at the point where an "angry internet mob" can destroy someone's public life just because they don't like something person has said/done?

That's the point. We're at the point where it can happen and does happen sometimes. This will be giving the process government and social sanction, it will make it happen constantly. Imagine China's Cultural Revolution, but the fethers won't even have to get out of their chairs to destroy someone's life.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I reject your claim that it will be a net positive for society. It will be an authoritarian nightmare that will hand over complete control of society to Governments.

Even worse than that, it will hand control of society to angry internet mobs. At least authoritarian governments tend to tire of pointless, ideological cruelty within a few years and just settle down to only oppressing people to protect their power and privilege. But with this plan there will always be a new crop of enthusiastic amateurs ready to prove their own virtue by destroying some person who said or did something wrong.

Um, aren't we already at the point where an "angry internet mob" can destroy someone's public life just because they don't like something person has said/done?

Yes but this will hand them a powerful weapon.

I can't wait to be a part of that one episode of The Orville for real.