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https://twitter.com/odotm/status/235916048921145344/photo/1

People seem to be jumping on this being a precursor to a raid by a British tactical team to recover Julian Assange (or however you spell his name) but I'm thinking they're just going to bag him the second he steps off embassy soil. Thoughts and opinions to the whole situation?

Update: Apparently I'm wrong as according to twitterers on the ground a British Tactical team has just penetrated the outer embassy

They'll probably jsut bag him the moment he steps off.


Don't believe EVERYTHING you hear on twitter.

Melissia wrote:They'll probably jsut bag him the moment he steps off.


Don't believe EVERYTHING you hear on twitter.

I'm pretty sure the rules state you can only post true things on the internet....

I'd be very surprised if they were given orders to ignore embassadorial protocol. Britain's quite good at "high diplomacy".

Melissia wrote:They'll probably jsut bag him the moment he steps off.


Don't believe EVERYTHING you hear on twitter.

I'm just reporting, I'm personally with you, we'll see shortly if we're wrong.

Live stream from the streets near the embassy: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/alburyj

Mostly just people talking

Edit again: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19259623

Confirmation that the police are outside the embassy in Knightsbridge, and some political back and forth.

Maybe the Ecuadorians are giving him to the British?

BBC link suggests that's not what's going on at present. But it's possible because of the pressure they're putting on Ecuador with a threat to revoke their diplomatic status.

Britain probably wouldn't be able to deal with the gak storm if they go into the embassy to try grab him. Then agains, I don't think any country could deal with the gak storm.

Krellnus wrote:Britain probably wouldn't be able to deal with the gak storm if they go into the embassy to try grab him. Then agains, I don't think any country could deal with the gak storm.

Britain has too much class to pull something like that. The Libyian Embassy didn't get raided when a police woman got shot And killed by one of the guards from there, so I really wouldn't expect a raid because of this guy.

Relapse wrote:

Krellnus wrote:Britain probably wouldn't be able to deal with the gak storm if they go into the embassy to try grab him. Then agains, I don't think any country could deal with the gak storm.

Britain has too much class to pull something like that. The Libyian Embassy didn't get raided when a police woman got shot by one of the guards from there, so I really wouldn't expect a raid because of thst guy.

Thats just a police grunt being shot, the government doesn't give 2 gaks. Here, a man dared to speak the truth about things decent and god-fearing governments were trying to cover up! He annoyed people in power! He MUST DIE!!!!!

Here, a man dared to speak the truth about things decent and god-fearing governments were trying to cover up!

Aaand indirectly resulted in the deaths of numerous people.

What abou our fancy intelligence and government reports that the leaks really didn't do any damage at all?

I just want them to bag him (tagging optional).

I went to uni with him and he was an anti-social douchebag then as well as being a sanctimonious git.

Wikileaks is not a big enough problem to ruin our relations with Equador.

As far as violating an embassy, I do not think it is being considered. Even Hitler respected embassies.

As for the whole mess, its about saving face for a US government which is led by a hostile president, over a core issue that is amoral, while backing up trumped up charges. Why are we bothering?

If an online media source publishes classified data outside the jurisdiction of the country the data was stolen from no crime is committed by the media, the people who sell/donate the data, yes, but not those who publish it.

Assange never has or had any moral responsibility to keep the US's secrets, and allowing for what was revealed can and does claim public interest.

¬¬ It'd be a seriously stupid thing for the British government to manhandle Ecuador, which they've already did if their current statements on the matter are anything to go by. I mean other than annoying another country being a bad idea in general, Ecuador's a big supplier of oil in South America (and with the Argentine nonsense its probably not going to go well losing more faith in South America). The Tories aren't especially known for using much more intelligence than a playground bully, but just pulling a Thatcher and doing America's dirty work just isn't going to go well for them.

Wyrmalla wrote:The Tories aren't especially known for using much more intelligence than a playground bully, but just pulling a Thatcher and doing America's dirty work just isn't going to go well for them.

Care to explain, or is this just a cheap shot.

Orlanth wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The Tories aren't especially known for using much more intelligence than a playground bully, but just pulling a Thatcher and doing America's dirty work just isn't going to go well for them.

Care to explain, or is this just a cheap shot.

^^ I'm Scottish, need I say more about a natural loathing for the Tory party being incited at birth?

Wyrmalla wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The Tories aren't especially known for using much more intelligence than a playground bully, but just pulling a Thatcher and doing America's dirty work just isn't going to go well for them.

Care to explain, or is this just a cheap shot.

^^ I'm Scottish, need I say more about a natural loathing for the Tory party being incited at birth?

Agreed on this.

And Ecuador has granted him asylum. Wonder how they're planning on getting him there though...

d-usa wrote:What abou our fancy intelligence and government reports that the leaks really didn't do any damage at all?

And don't forget the common sense report that everything he leaked we ALREADY KNEW.

Got get um Brits. Its about time someone made self-righteous arseholery a punishable offense

Wonder how they're planning on getting him there though...

African Swallow?


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LordofHats wrote:

Got get um Brits. Its about time someone made self-righteous arseholery a punishable offense

Off-Topic will be a very quiet place soon...

=/ BBC's consensus right now is that it'd be a really dumb idea to take away Ecuador's right over their embassy, as it'd give a president for other nations that have a chip on their shoulder to do the same to us (perhaps in protest to our actions). They have noted that we should be tolerant of the Ecuadorians as they've actually bothered to take into account Assange's point of view. The Swedish authorities went to an embassy in Switzerland to interview a murderer, but they refuse to do so in this case...

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Wonder how they're planning on getting him there though...

African Swallow?

SlaveToDorkness wins thread.

Wyrmalla wrote:=/ BBC's consensus right now is that it'd be a really dumb idea to take away Ecuador's right over their embassy, as it'd give a president for other nations that have a chip on their shoulder to do the same to us (perhaps in protest to our actions). They have noted that we should be tolerant of the Ecuadorians as they've actually bothered to take into account Assange's point of view. The Swedish authorities went to an embassy in Switzerland to interview a murderer, but they refuse to do so in this case...

Assange's point of view is a matter of utter irreverence, he is wanted for extradition to another EU country. What makes him better than all of us that he can be exempted from the law? He says he is worried about extradition to the US, yet the US has made no request to extradite him or shown any interest in doing so.

The main legacy of the wikileaks saga was to get a load of Afghan and Iraqi interpreters killed, most of the info released was already in the public domain or just pointless low level diplomatic communications. His 5 minutes are up, no body cares about wikileaks any more.

A good comic that sums up the situation pretty good:

Oh please. As much as I enjoy a good comic, claiming that two random women are involved in a secret government conspiracy is absurd. And as pointed out in other threads, Sweden is the last country to go in on it with us.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:And Ecuador has granted him asylum. Wonder how they're planning on getting him there though...

That's easy.

Assange gets on an Equadorian registered diplomatic vehicle with CD plates on the embassy premesis. The diplomatic vehicle, which is Equadorian territory goes to the airport and Assange gets on an Equadroain diplomatic jet from the door of the limo without setting foot on the ground. The jet flies to Equador.

Done this way Assange never enters UK jurisdiction.

I hope he gets away, trying to stop this is going to do nothing but sour relations with Equador, which is already making ugly noises. If Assange's freedom upsets the Obama government so be it, not point in trying to help stop the egg on his face from running when it is plain as day he does nothing in return for us, in fact quite the opposite.

Wyrmalla wrote:I have a shred of humanity, need I say more about a natural loathing for the Tory party being incited at birth?

FTFY

People are reading far to much into this and jumping in with wild conspiracies. The whole thing is quite simple. He broke his bail conditions in the UK, like every one else who does that while in this country he is now a wanted criminal.

He is not even wanted in Sweden for trial just to give his version of events to Police in a case that probably wont even go to trial. If the US wanted him they could of requested extradition when he was in UK custody but they didn’t, they have no interest in prosecuting him for anything. The mans an idiot and dug him self into a great big hole, when there was absolutely no need to. Hope he enjoys the increasingly totalitarian state of Ecuador

Our jock mates are quite correct saying they are indoctrinated at birth to loathe the Tories.

It has to be pointed out though, when has an action carried out due to childhood indoctrination ever been considered logical?