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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/11 19:52:53
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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The Conquerer
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Don't get all high and mighty Melissa. There are plenty of "hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done" in the Democratic party too. Both parties have them. neither party has worse ones either, one party just has ones you disagree with on an ideological level. Thats how it always is.
As for Term Limits and Campaigning, I think something does need to be done to change the way campaigns are run.
Perhaps a law to get put into place that would outlaw political campaigning for a period of time while in office.
Something like this.
Politician gets elected to Congress, lets say its a Senator. He has 4 years in office. I would propose he, and anyone running for said office, would be prohibited from running any political advertisments, appeals for support, or anything related to the political (re)election process until a time 6 months prior to the polling date(this could be adjusted depending on the office being run for)
Obviously someone would need to be incharge of determining what exactly "campaigning" is. I'm thinking maybe a non-elected independent government watchdog agency. A large group of people would be responsible for monitoring politicians actions in office. If campaigning is done outside of the allotted timeframe a fine would be issued, along with maybe censure? To prevent the group from being partisen, only a minority would be needed to deem a politicians actions Campaigning(40% maybe) so if 40% of the Group viewed an action as being illegal campaigning the fine and censure would happen.
This would keep politicians doing what they are supposed to do, make laws and govern the freaking country.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 03:25:33
Subject: With regards to Obama
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High and mighty? What a load of turd. I repeat myself: Melissia wrote:I think a lot of people need to get it out of their head that, just because all politicians are deceitful because of the nature of their job, that this somehow means that all politicians are the same.
You're one of them. Just because one party is extremely corrupt doesn't mean that every party is equally so. That is an argument made entirely without logic. An argument made by, and for, the intellectually lazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 03:33:43
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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They're all crooks... just admit it Melissia!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 03:34:34
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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A murderer and a thief are both crooks. They are not equal.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 03:36:49
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Okay... good point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 03:54:44
Subject: With regards to Obama
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Melissia wrote:The final passage wasn't bipartisan because Republican politicians were being hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done. The blame is pretty much squarely and entirely laid upon them. As for popularity, people like what the ACA does by a very sizable majority. When you say it's the ACA, they don't like it. Because they were fed lies by the Republican party, lies apparently that you still believe yourself.
I think there's plenty of blame to put on the blue dogs, and on the Democrats as a whole for making sure the pharmaceutical companies were more than a little well cared for by this legislation (the amount of money that could be saved in your healthcare system simply by government playing hardball with the drug companies is staggering).
Nowhere near as much blame as can be placed on the Republicans, though. I absolutely agree with you about that. I don't think I've seen many cases were a party was so openly and brazenly political. Normally that kind of stuff is hidden under the surface, and given some restraint by, well, decency. But with ACA they were willing to say anything, and give legitimacy to any crazy who wanted to claim any absurd thing about ACA, and GOP just did not care how stupid it was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 04:03:47
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Whoa....Romney a murderer now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 04:04:56
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Keep up dude... he gave someone cancer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 04:10:34
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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Dang... guess we now know who killed Jonbenet Ramsey now. LYNCH ROMNEY!!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 04:15:18
Subject: With regards to Obama
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sebster wrote: Melissia wrote:The final passage wasn't bipartisan because Republican politicians were being hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done. The blame is pretty much squarely and entirely laid upon them. As for popularity, people like what the ACA does by a very sizable majority. When you say it's the ACA, they don't like it. Because they were fed lies by the Republican party, lies apparently that you still believe yourself.
I think there's plenty of blame to put on the blue dogs, and on the Democrats as a whole for making sure the pharmaceutical companies were more than a little well cared for by this legislation (the amount of money that could be saved in your healthcare system simply by government playing hardball with the drug companies is staggering).
Nowhere near as much blame as can be placed on the Republicans, though. I absolutely agree with you about that. I don't think I've seen many cases were a party was so openly and brazenly political. Normally that kind of stuff is hidden under the surface, and given some restraint by, well, decency. But with ACA they were willing to say anything, and give legitimacy to any crazy who wanted to claim any absurd thing about ACA, and GOP just did not care how stupid it was.
Yes, that's kind of the argument I was making.
The Democrats have their problems, and their corruption. As well as their incompetence as a party. But the Republicans, while more competent, are also far more corrupt-- less of an ideological party and more of a professional politicians party..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 05:20:06
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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Grey Templar wrote:
Obviously someone would need to be incharge of determining what exactly "campaigning" is. I'm thinking maybe a non-elected independent government watchdog agency.
The surest way to make something political is to pretend that you can prevent it from being influenced by politics.
Grey Templar wrote:
This would keep politicians doing what they are supposed to do, make laws and govern the freaking country.
In a democracy governance necessarily involves campaigning. If you don't want politicians to campaign, there are already a host of systems we can put it place to make it unnecessary. Automatically Appended Next Post:
His real name is Mark Hofmann.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/12 11:19:34
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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His real name is Mark Hofmann.
Oh WTH. You saying Jimmy Hoffa alive now? Well they look about the right age.....OMG Romney could be the Zodiac Killer!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 01:30:12
Subject: With regards to Obama
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Whenever people talk about how Obama hasn't done anything, this is what I bring up. It wouldn't be too much of a problem if we had a Republican majority in Congress (Well, as a Socialist, I would see it as a problem, but that's entirely subjective) if less of them (and less Democrats, for that matter) were partisans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 01:33:23
Subject: With regards to Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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DOOMBREAD wrote:Whenever people talk about how Obama hasn't done anything, this is what I bring up. It wouldn't be too much of a problem if we had a Republican majority in Congress (Well, as a Socialist, I would see it as a problem, but that's entirely subjective) if less of them (and less Democrats, for that matter) were partisans.
wut?
We're one disfunctional family...
One side thinks it's all the (R)s fault...
Other side things it's all the (D)s fault...
Other says both are at fault... but the other side is worse...
It's Heitfield and McCoy all over again...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 02:49:21
Subject: With regards to Obama
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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whembly wrote: DOOMBREAD wrote:Whenever people talk about how Obama hasn't done anything, this is what I bring up. It wouldn't be too much of a problem if we had a Republican majority in Congress (Well, as a Socialist, I would see it as a problem, but that's entirely subjective) if less of them (and less Democrats, for that matter) were partisans.
wut?
We're one disfunctional family...
One side thinks it's all the (R)s fault...
Other side things it's all the (D)s fault...
Other says both are at fault... but the other side is worse...
It's Heitfield and McCoy all over again...
Well, it's more sensible than saying that everything is the fault of one political group, isn't it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 03:06:28
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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Grey Templar wrote:Don't get all high and mighty Melissa. There are plenty of "hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done" in the Democratic party too. Both parties have them. neither party has worse ones either, one party just has ones you disagree with on an ideological level. Thats how it always is.
That argument held true for the most part about two decades ago. Nothing much has changed in the Democratic party in that time, but the Republican party has seriously moved into crazy pants town. It's actually hard to overstate the extent to which they've confused opposition for outright lying about basic issues of governance.
I agree with your calls for reform, though I think controlling a politicians campaigning is probably the wrong way to go. I think the primary drive of any meaningful reform has to be with finance reform, and then adding a non-political electoral agency on top of that would solve most of the problems that are solvable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 03:09:44
Subject: Re:With regards to Obama
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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sebster wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Don't get all high and mighty Melissa. There are plenty of "hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done" in the Democratic party too. Both parties have them. neither party has worse ones either, one party just has ones you disagree with on an ideological level. Thats how it always is.
That argument held true for the most part about two decades ago. Nothing much has changed in the Democratic party in that time, but the Republican party has seriously moved into crazy pants town. It's actually hard to overstate the extent to which they've confused opposition for outright lying about basic issues of governance.
I agree with your calls for reform, though I think controlling a politicians campaigning is probably the wrong way to go. I think the primary drive of any meaningful reform has to be with finance reform, and then adding a non-political electoral agency on top of that would solve most of the problems that are solvable.
Democrats gone to crazy pants too...
At least the Republican passed Budget bills that Harry Reid won't floor...
And it's only the Republican fault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 03:13:54
Subject: With regards to Obama
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Melissia wrote:Yes, that's kind of the argument I was making.
The Democrats have their problems, and their corruption. As well as their incompetence as a party. But the Republicans, while more competent, are also far more corrupt-- less of an ideological party and more of a professional politicians party..
I'm not sure I agree with that summary. I mean, what's really changed in the Republican Party in the last couple of decades has been the amount of crazy pants ideology that's come in. Almost going into mutiny over the failure to support Majority Leader Boehner's compromise deal on the debt ceiling isn't professional politics, it's the actions of a collection of lunatics who don't understand governance is more important than conservative ideology.
I don't know which party is more corrupt. While that's a major issue, I just don't think it's as important as the plain reality that right now one of your two major parties is not only unable or unwiling to govern, but that they largely reject the idea of governing at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 03:15:40
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It was all the Tea Party back reps that held up on Boehner or so say everyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 03:35:14
Subject: With regards to Obama
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Melissia wrote: sebster wrote: Melissia wrote:The final passage wasn't bipartisan because Republican politicians were being hypocritical douchebags more interested in getting re-elected than getting things done. The blame is pretty much squarely and entirely laid upon them. As for popularity, people like what the ACA does by a very sizable majority. When you say it's the ACA, they don't like it. Because they were fed lies by the Republican party, lies apparently that you still believe yourself.
I think there's plenty of blame to put on the blue dogs, and on the Democrats as a whole for making sure the pharmaceutical companies were more than a little well cared for by this legislation (the amount of money that could be saved in your healthcare system simply by government playing hardball with the drug companies is staggering).
Nowhere near as much blame as can be placed on the Republicans, though. I absolutely agree with you about that. I don't think I've seen many cases were a party was so openly and brazenly political. Normally that kind of stuff is hidden under the surface, and given some restraint by, well, decency. But with ACA they were willing to say anything, and give legitimacy to any crazy who wanted to claim any absurd thing about ACA, and GOP just did not care how stupid it was.
Yes, that's kind of the argument I was making.
The Democrats have their problems, and their corruption. As well as their incompetence as a party. But the Republicans, while more competent, are also far more corrupt-- less of an ideological party and more of a professional politicians party..
Your still trying to get your shots in Mel. How is that any different? I blame both sides. Reps were being overly stubborn and dems were adding things they new the reps wouldn't go for just so they could point their fingers. They never should have forced that bill through. The American people deserve better from our leaders. They should be better. That bill will have such far reaching effects that it should have been hammered out to the last detail. Instead what we got was a mess that nobody is going to be able to fix. They'll slap "band adds" on it but won't work as well as it should have. I'm disgusted with the whole situation. I don't even want to vote but I'm going to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 07:02:30
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Jihadin wrote:It was all the Tea Party back reps that held up on Boehner or so say everyone. 
Yep. The Republican Party played with the fringe lunatics for decades, relying on their votes to get candidates over the line. Then come 2008 the Republican brand was on the nose, and Republican backers put up the Tea Party as a way to rebuild the party. Unfortunately this accelerated the trend we'd seen over the decade before that of crazies getting more power within the Republican party.
Suddenly Bachmann wasn't alone, and in fact she was in the middle of a really powerful political bloc. Then the crazy really started happening, culminating in some republicans actually wanting to hit the debt ceiling just because feth it, why not?
The in-mates had control of the asylum.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 08:05:46
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sebster wrote: Jihadin wrote:It was all the Tea Party back reps that held up on Boehner or so say everyone. 
Yep. The Republican Party played with the fringe lunatics for decades, relying on their votes to get candidates over the line. Then come 2008 the Republican brand was on the nose, and Republican backers put up the Tea Party as a way to rebuild the party. Unfortunately this accelerated the trend we'd seen over the decade before that of crazies getting more power within the Republican party.
Suddenly Bachmann wasn't alone, and in fact she was in the middle of a really powerful political bloc. Then the crazy really started happening, culminating in some republicans actually wanting to hit the debt ceiling just because feth it, why not?
The in-mates had control of the asylum.
Not quite. Nobody wanted to hit the debt ceiling. Many people did not want to just tack another extension on to the national credit card.
We are, without question, going to hit a point where we simply cannot pay back all that we owe if we do not actually curb the rise of the debt level. Why that's such a hostile concept is beyond me, frankly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 15:01:30
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wowsmash: You blame both sides equally because you are being intellectually lazy. Both sides are NOT equally in the wrong. Seaward: We're nowhere near that point. In fact, people can't still can't get enough of United States debt. In the modern world, loaning the US government money is seen as a safe thing-- and rightfully so. I'm not saying we should pull another Republican presidency and massively run the debt up again (and yes, this is a thing that Republicans like to do even more than Democrats-- dems may be tax and spend, but Republicans are just spend), I'm just saying it's nowhere near panic levels right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 16:55:13
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The Conquerer
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Melissia wrote:wowsmash: You blame both sides equally because you are being intellectually lazy. Both sides are NOT equally in the wrong.
You are very wrong.
Both parties are equally at fault over the mess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 20:56:54
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/14 21:40:33
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More laziness by someone who hasn't actually thought at all about the issue.
When one side offers up bipartianship and the other side smacks it down and then throws up its hands with a temper tantrum refusing to pass any laws-- EVEN THEIR OWN-- both sides are not equally at fault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/15 04:51:06
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Melissia wrote:wowsmash: You blame both sides equally because you are being intellectually lazy. Both sides are NOT equally in the wrong.
Your opinion is not at all influenced because you happen to agree with the political positions of one side over the other, I'm sure.
Yes, Democrats and Republicans may not be equally corrupt and untrustworthy, but the difference is so remarkably small we're getting into electron microscope territory.
Seaward: We're nowhere near that point. In fact, people can't still can't get enough of United States debt. In the modern world, loaning the US government money is seen as a safe thing-- and rightfully so. I'm not saying we should pull another Republican presidency and massively run the debt up again (and yes, this is a thing that Republicans like to do even more than Democrats-- dems may be tax and spend, but Republicans are just spend), I'm just saying it's nowhere near panic levels right now.
Why wait until we hit panic levels to do something about it? This is the argument I do not get. No one - and I mean, no one - disputes that we will, without question, get there if we continue run the government as we currently do. You wouldn't wait until your bank account hit zero dollars before getting a job, for example.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/15 05:03:00
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The Conquerer
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Melissia wrote:More laziness by someone who hasn't actually thought at all about the issue.
When one side offers up bipartianship and the other side smacks it down and then throws up its hands with a temper tantrum refusing to pass any laws-- EVEN THEIR OWN-- both sides are not equally at fault.
And now you toss around personal insults?
Real tactful
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/15 05:34:11
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Melissia wrote:wowsmash: You blame both sides equally because you are being intellectually lazy. Both sides are NOT equally in the wrong.
Equally in an absolute sense? No, probably not, but its close enough for an abstract application of the term.
I had a prof. that always took me on for refusing to pick a side, but the reality is that you don't always have enough information to draw such a fine-grained conclusion.
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Why wait until we hit panic levels to do something about it? This is the argument I do not get. No one - and I mean, no one - disputes that we will, without question, get there if we continue run the government as we currently do. You wouldn't wait until your bank account hit zero dollars before getting a job, for example.
Depends on how bad your job prospects were. If I could only get a fast food job, I would wait until I was down to ramen and my parents' basement.
We wait because the majority of people either do not want to deal with what the solution entails, or cannot agree on what it should entail.
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Subject: With regards to Obama
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dogma wrote:Depends on how bad your job prospects were. If I could only get a fast food job, I would wait until I was down to ramen and my parents' basement.
We wait because the majority of people either do not want to deal with what the solution entails, or cannot agree on what it should entail.
We don't really have a parents' basement equivalent as a nation, and if we wait to start dealing with the problem until everybody agrees, we might as well just default now. Republicans are never going to agree that taxes need to be raised and defense spending needs to be cut; Democrats are never going to agree that government size needs to be reduced and entitlement spending needs to be cut. The only way the issue's going to get dealt with is by one side of the other ramming through their agenda when they've got the critical mass to do so.
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