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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:20:56
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Well it's officially funded
and Mierce Tim (the casting master) has hinted that the Generals on horseback might become better value later on
(my speculation is we might see an foot version added as a freebie to each general for those on the freebie track)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:22:07
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, TX
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Fenriswulf wrote:Give it time dude, it's only just started. I am sure there are a heck of a lot of new designs to come. The last kickstarter was adding new miniatures all along the way till the end.
For comparison, the starter hosts are about $30 better than the infantry starters were when they begain in the first kickstarter. The Duguth get Creoda, the Drunes get 5 more axe guys, etc.
However they dont appear to get stretch goals, so it looks like they might end up being a bit less good. Which is about how it should be. The new hosts are ready to go, the first kickstarter had wait time and a a reputation issue from the whole Maelstrome Games mess to overcome.
I'm hoping the mounted guys get unmounted versions, particularly Eadric.
Nice to see the balloon boobs are gone, as I think the melisune's really were the weakest sculpts in the line. The females are all pretty awesome, through Birna is in some kind of goofy hair flip stance. Zethag is a nice piece of anti fanservice I cant wait to get. Automatically Appended Next Post: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Well it's officially funded
and Mierce Tim (the casting master) has hinted that the Generals on horseback might become better value later on
(my speculation is we might see an foot version added as a freebie to each general for those on the freebie track)
Nice. If they do that they should have some stick on legs for Xontor though heh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:32:43
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Ah yes, the infantry units are monstrous infantry aren't they? Dunno why I forgot about that, had it in mind that they are standard infantry sized. Maybe add some illustration for new / slow people. Are you sure the last starters were $30 cheaper? Mine cost £76, with an earlybird discount, so not much different to the £80 Encounter sets. Still I'd say they're more than a bit less good considering the obscene amount of freebies we got with that last starter sets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:37:04
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Needs to be a gabrax host.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:41:53
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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There are really some beautiful concept arts in this project. And with the history of the miniatures staying true to the concept art, and with the great line of sculptors to realize them, this KS will produce some really high quality figures that will look awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:41:57
Subject: Re:Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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So I just might be crazy enough to pick up a few Dyndraigs or Khthones.
How big are these guys supposed to be?
I think one of those three headed Khthone nobles would make for a great centerpiece for a reptilian raiding party, especially if they end up as large as I think they might end up.
I know the Khthones haven't gone out into the wild yet, but can anyone direct me to some comparison pics of a typical tabletop figure in relation to a Dyndraig?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:46:36
Subject: Re:Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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highlord tamburlaine wrote:So I just might be crazy enough to pick up a few Dyndraigs or Khthones.
How big are these guys supposed to be?
I think one of those three headed Khthone nobles would make for a great centerpiece for a reptilian raiding party, especially if they end up as large as I think they might end up.
I know the Khthones haven't gone out into the wild yet, but can anyone direct me to some comparison pics of a typical tabletop figure in relation to a Dyndraig?
Does this help any?
http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/downloads/scale_shots_medium.jpg
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 19:53:34
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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JWBS wrote:Ah yes, the infantry units are monstrous infantry aren't they? Dunno why I forgot about that, had it in mind that they are standard infantry sized. Maybe add some illustration for new / slow people. Are you sure the last starters were $30 cheaper? Mine cost £76, with an earlybird discount, so not much different to the £80 Encounter sets. Still I'd say they're more than a bit less good considering the obscene amount of freebies we got with that last starter sets.
Ahh, you're right. I forgot the regular infantry were cheaper than the monstrous (what I did my spot checks on). I was thinking the original Anglecyn was 80 for Penda and the 10 guys, and this was 80 for Timoth, 10 guys and Creoda. The human sized infantry were actually 60 the first time. Sorry for the confusion!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 20:46:24
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Hmm, there's a couple of the first batch I like the look of, but the reward schema combined with the timescale just isn't doing it for me. I'd wait until June 2014 and after if there was a miniatures-only pledge that included the freebies, or I'd make a miniatures-only pledge if the delivery date was sooner.
I'll have to wait and see how the Byzantii shape up, but as it stands I'll probably just wait for retail.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:01:38
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Wow, 30 pounds for a single mounted general seems pricey
I see Orlando posted that those might become a better deal later on, but they're expensive to buy now, especially since you're having to do so based on concept art rather than sculpts (and might end up preferring a different one once they're sculpted).
Not much in this campaign that seems to incentivize backing now as opposed to waiting till they retail, at least at the moment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:07:57
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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RiTides wrote:I see Orlando posted that those might become a better deal later on, but they're expensive to buy now, especially since you're having to do so based on concept art rather than sculpts (and might end up preferring a different one once they're sculpted).
Just curious, have you noticed any Mierce models that weren't very accurate to their concept art? Seems like that's a real strong-point for the company (and I'm sure they'll show examples of past concept to execution in some of their updates).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:08:51
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The generals are confirmed to 'stretch' at some point Mierce on the comments "yes, but there will also be 8 "free" generals on foot once we reach a certain level... the prices are high both a) because they were too cheap in the last KS and b) that gives us leg room for freebies" and on prices compared to the last KS "the KS1 prices were too low; Cearl's RRP is £25 ['werewolf' mini from KS1], Hrór will be bigger with more detail (RRP most likely £35), and later on this year I'm afraid there will be a price rise for many miniatures. This KS reflects that price rise. Just in case you were all wondering..." (so if anybody is holding out on adding KS1 stuff you might want to get it sooner rather than later)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:21:39
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Decker- I simply meant that you might prefer a different model once it's sculpted. To take Arena Rex, for example, the concept art AND sculpts are all great, but some models once I see them sculpted become must-buys if I get into that game, whereas others that I was hooked by the art on I could skip.
Orlando, you can't add anything from KS1 in this campaign, right? It just seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive here, but maybe they're letting the initial wave of pledges pass before adding more incentive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:29:16
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Regular Dakkanaut
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RiTides wrote:Decker- I simply meant that you might prefer a different model once it's sculpted. To take Arena Rex, for example, the concept art AND sculpts are all great, but some models once I see them sculpted become must-buys if I get into that game, whereas others that I was hooked by the art on I could skip.
Orlando, you can't add anything from KS1 in this campaign, right? It just seems like there's not a whole lot of incentive here, but maybe they're letting the initial wave of pledges pass before adding more incentive.
Some of the sculptors I feel pretty safe buying anything they do. The last KS I waited until I found out who was sculpting or saw some of the WIPS and then added on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:30:35
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:The generals are confirmed to 'stretch' at some point
Mierce on the comments
"yes, but there will also be 8 "free" generals on foot once we reach a certain level... the prices are high both a) because they were too cheap in the last KS and b) that gives us leg room for freebies"
and on prices compared to the last KS
"the KS1 prices were too low; Cearl's RRP is £25 ['werewolf' mini from KS1], Hrór will be bigger with more detail (RRP most likely £35), and later on this year I'm afraid there will be a price rise for many miniatures. This KS reflects that price rise. Just in case you were all wondering..."
(so if anybody is holding out on adding KS1 stuff you might want to get it sooner rather than later)
Doesn't that kind of mean they aren't quite 'freebies' then?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:33:52
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Sure, but that's equally true of any KS that has planned things out properly and doesn't end up rueing the day they ever submitted the campaign.
They are just being a little more transparent about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 21:54:07
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It's not uncommon on KS
(tying a stretch to an initial 'purchace' so what looks expensive to start ends up better value)
I first saw it on Relic Knights, and it happened in Wrath of Kings too (not so sure of the CMON KSes in between as I didn't back those)
Raging Heroes did it by tossing in exta weapons/head if you bought a particular box
Cthulhu wars tied some freebies to specific pledges for specific add ons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:01:43
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Not really feeling this one yet but it's early days. I'd be tempted to go for a Warhost if got stretch goals. It would also be nice if there was a pledge between the £80 and £700 mark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:04:49
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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I'm excited. All of the Norse generals I pretty much like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:13:25
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Soul Token
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I didn't go for the first KS because of worries born of the Maelstrom implosion. But since they seem to have lived up to their promises on the first one, I might give this a look
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:27:24
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Zond wrote:Not really feeling this one yet but it's early days. I'd be tempted to go for a Warhost if got stretch goals. It would also be nice if there was a pledge between the £80 and £700 mark.
Yes to all of this.
I suppose I'll buy the mounted chaos warrior if they throw in a foot version somewhere down the line, and probably the monstrous demon byzantine general too as a treat for myself. The last thing I bought from GW was a contemptor and I imagine the monstrous general will be more impressive and better value so it's not too difficult to rationalise. Not as many minis as KS1 and paying an extra tenner, so I'll just keep my fingers crossed for an art book, if that happens I'll be content.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:29:47
Subject: Re:Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Dakka Veteran
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Man! Jörmungand is totally badass
But as it stands right now I'm holding back, as I'm only interested in the miniatures. A bit boring that only the rulebook-level pledge get freebies but hopefully there will be more cool stretch goals to make up for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:31:55
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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Gah.....3 factions talking to me but can't really justify more than one
Does anyone have a concept of the point (ie points value/gold coinage) at which the monsters become viable in games, as that makes a significant difference to my thinking?
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Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 22:46:35
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 23:01:36
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ubiquity Limits skirmish battle war ubiquity min/max min/max min/max Mainstay 0/- 1/- 2/- Common 0/6 0/8 1/10 Uncommon 0/3 0/4 0/6 Rare 0/2 0/3 0/4 Unique 0/0 0/1 0/2 this is the matrix showing what you can field at different battle sizes most of the monstrous stuff is Uncommon (eg Trolls), rare or Unique but they are correspondingly good in battle The stuff that's out at the moment is heavily biased in this way with only the Angelcyn (duguth) and Ysians (axe and bow drunes) having common units (sorry the table formatting is missing, it shows up OK on edit, but not on the main screen and I can't get it to work)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 23:09:59
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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cincydooley wrote:What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
How'd that go? Have you posted your thoughts anywhere?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 23:12:48
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster
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cincydooley wrote:What specifically are you asking? We've played twice with the rough quick start rules.
I guess I'm asking are they only playable in "big" (not that I'm clear on what big is at the moment) games either due to cost or power?
EDIT@Orlando: thanks that's a helpful, but specifically I'm talking about monsters (in particular the chimera and the kraken) rather than monstrous infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 23:27:05
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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You can pull down the muster lists and muster rules here (details on each unit/mini out so far) http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-a-world-of-war/posts/584781 Skirmishes (up to 1000 gold) are played on a 4 x 4 and should take up to 2hr Battles 1000-2500, 6 x 4 and up to 4-5 hours War 2500 to 5000 8 x 4 and all day the Chimera is Rare so while you could in theory have up to 2 in a skirmish game its costs of 382 gold mean you'd be pretty limited to get anything much else in the Kraken (I'm guessing you mean Uthull, the monster swinging the anchor) is again Rare and costs slightly less at 312 so you might justify 2 a bit better hope this helps (again most of the minis so far are in the 'fancy' end of things so making a balanced force is not as easy at it will be with some solid mainstay and common units which this KS should hopefully produce)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/24 23:46:46
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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nice to see some great new concept art from Des Hanley, and Stephan Kopinski...
Danny Cruz's work is starting to grow on me...
Dan Warren, Christophe Madura, and Steve Pierce have done some interesting stuff...
not feeling Sam Lamont's style...
Bethan Hughes left WD, and is now doing concept art for you guys...
interesting...
i'd say good score, but her concepts are the worst of the bunch...
the linework on the concepts for Theliatiss and Velchior is worringly bad...
here's hoping she will tighten her drawings up with more practice...
all in all, looks like some cool minis are coming down the pipe...
cheers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/25 00:59:34
Subject: Mierce Miniatures - Darklands Kickstarter 2 launched! Pg 42
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Some of the art are WIP I think.
I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.
I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.
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