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Obama's done much better this time. He's been comfortable, engaged, much more articulate, clear and firm,

Romney comes off peevish and sometimes a bit desperate. "Government does not create jobs, government does not create jobs," repeated like a religious mantra.

Both could have stood to be kept more on topic. I wish Candy could kill their mikes when they go over time. But overall she's done a solid job.

 Mannahnin wrote:
Obama's done much better this time. He's been comfortable, engaged, much more articulate, clear and firm,

Romney comes off peevish and sometimes a bit desperate.

Ah, but what do the conservatives think?

Binders full of women...

Relapse wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Obama's done much better this time. He's been comfortable, engaged, much more articulate, clear and firm,

Romney comes off peevish and sometimes a bit desperate.

Ah, but what do the conservatives think?

That Obama is histories greatest monster of course .

Just now was able to sit down at work, so I didn't catch a single portion of it. Will see if it is up on YouTube later tonight.

You are a devil, MGS.

Eh, that wasn't a very good debate. The question about george bush was totally unwarranted and silly.

Romney! A lot of people say you're fething hitler! What do you have to say about this?

Yeah Obama was more focused this time, and I agree that Romney seemed desperate, almost laughing at himself at times I thought. He struck me as a salesman.


What really bothered me was the final question that guy had asking them both to address misconceptions about themselves, citing specific examples.

Both candidates failed to do this and instead attacked each other subtly and gave reasons to vote for them instead. Lol.

my god I hate Romney


and Obama


why the hell does America have to be fethed? We are bastard rebellions from the start, when the hell did we lose that attribute?

hooray for the riff raff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMtGvTshvgk

 Cave_Dweller wrote:
Yeah Obama was more focused this time, and I agree that Romney seemed desperate, almost laughing at himself at times I thought. He struck me as a salesman.


What really bothered me was the final question that guy had asking them both to address misconceptions about themselves, citing specific examples.

Both candidates failed to do this and instead attacked each other subtly and gave reasons to vote for them instead. Lol.

I thought they both answered in the most obvious way, just like when you're asked in a job interview about 'your weakest points', at which you are supposed to look thoughtful and then reply 'sometimes I am too dedicated, too driven to get the job done'...

Spin spin sugar.

Agreed. At the end they need to wrap up with a more general statement. There's no way they would stay on topic and not do that.

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
Eh, that wasn't a very good debate. The question about george bush was totally unwarranted and silly.

No, it was 100% justified. Romney is another ivy league rich guy whose centerpiece of his economic policy is tax cuts and helping corporations. Part of Obama's argument is that Romney's advocated policies are functionally a return to the same crap that got us into the great financial crash. Romney needs to convince people that's not the case.

And Obama owned this. He even managed to dominate the Libya debating, Romney seemed out of his depth and desperate.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Cave_Dweller wrote:
Yeah Obama was more focused this time, and I agree that Romney seemed desperate, almost laughing at himself at times I thought. He struck me as a salesman.


What really bothered me was the final question that guy had asking them both to address misconceptions about themselves, citing specific examples.

Both candidates failed to do this and instead attacked each other subtly and gave reasons to vote for them instead. Lol.

I thought they both answered in the most obvious way, just like when you're asked in a job interview about 'your weakest points', at which you are supposed to look thoughtful and then reply 'sometimes I am too dedicated, too driven to get the job done'...

Spin spin sugar.

Yeah tue but everyone also knows that's a crock. For me at least, it would have went a long way if either of them had the balls to address something, instead of trying to feed everyone more bull.

 Cave_Dweller wrote:


Yeah tue but everyone also knows that's a crock. For me at least, it would have went a long way if either of them had the balls to address something, instead of trying to feed everyone more bull.

If either had been stupid enough to openly list their commonly commented on weakness/perceived weakness, it would have been pounced on by the other, so they both avoided it and span the question.

Obama did quite well.


Most telling moment of the debate, was the Libya question:


Obama was meaningful, forceful and spoke quite well about the tragedy of the consulate. He referred to playing politics with the situation as beneath Americans and looked as Presidential as he ever has with his answer.

Romney jumps up, attempts to play politics with the situation "He didn't refer to it as a terrorist attack" and tried to confront Obama---Obama states "Proceed Governor". Then the moderator fact checks Romney and the crowd laughs.

Someone is going to get fired from Romney's campaign tomorrow.

No CTRL&C, CTRL&V from the blogs yet as to what our opinion should be?

 d-usa wrote:
No CTRL&C, CTRL&V from the blogs yet as to what our opinion should be?

CNN and CBS are trying to spin it far closer than I saw (perhaps to stir up excitement), but they are both giving Obama a win for it.

Romney's Binders Full of Women will haunt him, mark my words...

Obama looked much better.

Though I think is was a tie.

Dammit I missed it...what date is round 3? Is there one?

And just to reinforce my call that the Libya moment is going to haunt Romney ---someone already parsed out a video for it;





Look at Obama's troll face when he says "Please proceed Governor" and Romney's "Bu da da ok" reaction. You could hear the Romney campaign aides throwing up off stage.

Yep:

There were many days that passed before we knew whether this was a spontaneous demonstration or actually whether it was a terrorist attack. And there was no demonstration involved. It was a terrorist attack, and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people.

Good work Mittens.

I think Obama could have done a better job nailing Romney on flip-flopping. Romney mostly confused him in the first debate by reversing his stated positions on several issues, like taxes and regulation. Better work has been done.

The only words of a politician's mouth were lies, damn lies and statistics. I didn't hear anything in this debate to change my opinion on that, or that I desperately don't want either of these fethheads running my country.

If you can't tell the difference, you're the kind of person who gave us Bush Jr. You're also misquoting Clemens.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
The only words of a politician's mouth were lies, damn lies and statistics. I didn't hear anything in this debate to change my opinion on that, or that I desperately don't want either of these fethheads running my country.

I'm glad to know your kind won't vote.

Did we watch the same debate?

It was a draw and both sides got their "zingers" in... and both took their lickings.

It was pure pandering to their base.

Like the last one...

the biggest thing that these things lack is the biggest part


the HOW


sure, you don't want to give your opponent any help, but come the feth on. I can say everyone will get rainbow colored ponies and it's your birthday everyday, but if I don't lay down A CLEAR PLAN TO MAKE THESE DREAMS COME INTO FRUITION, then well, you maqy as well be pitching a book idea to a publisher for all I am concerned.

I was talking to my coworkers about the debate. I did't watch it since again, I already know what they are going to say and if something wacky happens, like someone upchucks or their pants fall off, there is youtube. Anyway, we've decided we'd prefer the following debate format going forward:

1.) If you say something that's a lie; the moderator may call you out if it's pretty unambiguously untrue (i.e. "Obama refused to ever identify the Libya attacks as a terror event" or whatever)

2.) If the moderator calls you out on a lie under step 1, your opponent is then to stride across the stage and slap you.

3.) If you get visibly upset under step 2, step 2 is repeated.

4.) If you cry, the debate is over and you have lost.

 DIDM wrote:
the biggest thing that these things lack is the biggest part


the HOW


sure, you don't want to give your opponent any help, but come the feth on. I can say everyone will get rainbow colored ponies and it's your birthday everyday, but if I don't lay down A CLEAR PLAN TO MAKE THESE DREAMS COME INTO FRUITION, then well, you maqy as well be pitching a book idea to a publisher for all I am concerned.

I think I've mentioned this in some older thread (or maybe not).

But the "HOW" at this point will always be in "abstract".

Most of the policies requires the President to engage Congress... you don't know what's going to happen when you get that far.

EDIT: Okay... Candy Crowly NOW says Romeny had a point regarding the Libya issue :

holy feth doe the word "Terrorist" hold some power over you folks

we are a society of fear and catch phrases


terrorist was once Extremists, or maybe Cultists, and religious nutjobs

fear is a vehicle that the media drives pedal to the metal. if you aren't scared you aren't watching the news in their model


terrorist is the biggest scare word they could come up with, it invokes fear just thinking of the TERROR these bad men will unleash. The truth is that we are no more at risk than we have ever been, in fact we are so safe we strip search old ladies and make every man go through a radioactive sperm killing xray to make sure we don;t have bombs on our insides.

they have made everyone scared, now they want everything you have for rights to keep you "safe" from the danger they orchestrated.

Terrorist is simply the new communist, nothing else has really changed over the decades.