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2012/11/03 16:27:08
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
So something I recently learned. Disney IS Touchstone Pictures, and you've enjoyed at least ONE of their movies in the last few years, probably more.
Armageddon, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Pretty Woman, Good Morning Vietnam, Remember The Titans, The Santa Clause, Hidalgo (a personal favorite), The Rocketeer (old school sci fi action), War Horse, The Prestige, Miracle at St. Anna (criminally underrated war movie), Surrogates, Bruce Almighty, Shanghai Noon, Reign of Fire, Gone in 60 Seconds, High Fidelity, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Unbreakable, Pearl Harbor, Bubble Boy, Starship Troopers (for camp credit), The Waterboy and of course for all you goth whiners, The Nightmare Before Christmas is ALSO a Disney film.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Grey Templar, Walt was a racist and an anti-semite! Modern Disney has gone to great lengths to airbrush him out of their history If anything, some people at Disney were glad the day he died!
I agree with what rockerbikie said. Let's have a collective noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Yes, let's get angry over something when we haven't even seen the results.
This is the same company which said the Jonas Brothers and Highschool Musical are ok... nothing good will come out of it.
And they also said Who Framed Roger Rabbit, The Avengers, Iron Man, The Incredibles, The Lion King, Duck Tales, Gargoyles are ok so what's your fething point?
2012/11/03 17:34:49
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So something I recently learned. Disney IS Touchstone Pictures, and you've enjoyed at least ONE of their movies in the last few years, probably more.
Armageddon, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Pretty Woman, Good Morning Vietnam, Remember The Titans, The Santa Clause, Hidalgo (a personal favorite), The Rocketeer (old school sci fi action), War Horse, The Prestige, Miracle at St. Anna (criminally underrated war movie), Surrogates, Bruce Almighty, Shanghai Noon, Reign of Fire, Gone in 60 Seconds, High Fidelity, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Unbreakable, Pearl Harbor, Bubble Boy, Starship Troopers (for camp credit), The Waterboy and of course for all you goth whiners, The Nightmare Before Christmas is ALSO a Disney film.
Yeah there's a few good ones there but also a LOT of bad. Pretty Woman, War Horse, High Fidelity, and the Santa Clause don't really give me Star Wars hope.
But at the same time they did Tron so.
I think what they make will be overall solid. Don't expect anything remotely dark though. The enemy will be droids I guarantee. Best way of adding battles and explosions without offending the younglings with death.
2012/11/03 17:51:19
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So something I recently learned. Disney IS Touchstone Pictures, and you've enjoyed at least ONE of their movies in the last few years, probably more.
Armageddon, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Pretty Woman, Good Morning Vietnam, Remember The Titans, The Santa Clause, Hidalgo (a personal favorite), The Rocketeer (old school sci fi action), War Horse, The Prestige, Miracle at St. Anna (criminally underrated war movie), Surrogates, Bruce Almighty, Shanghai Noon, Reign of Fire, Gone in 60 Seconds, High Fidelity, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Unbreakable, Pearl Harbor, Bubble Boy, Starship Troopers (for camp credit), The Waterboy and of course for all you goth whiners, The Nightmare Before Christmas is ALSO a Disney film.
Yeah there's a few good ones there but also a LOT of bad. Pretty Woman, War Horse, High Fidelity, and the Santa Clause don't really give me Star Wars hope.
But at the same time they did Tron so.
I think what they make will be overall solid. Don't expect anything remotely dark though. The enemy will be droids I guarantee. Best way of adding battles and explosions without offending the younglings with death.
But grotesque depictions of death does nothing but benefit society, seeing blood and gore makes kids want to become doctors, seeing criminal activity makes kids want to become lawyers or police officers, seeing substance abuse makes kids want to become scientists.
2012/11/03 18:04:19
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: So something I recently learned. Disney IS Touchstone Pictures, and you've enjoyed at least ONE of their movies in the last few years, probably more.
Armageddon, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Pretty Woman, Good Morning Vietnam, Remember The Titans, The Santa Clause, Hidalgo (a personal favorite), The Rocketeer (old school sci fi action), War Horse, The Prestige, Miracle at St. Anna (criminally underrated war movie), Surrogates, Bruce Almighty, Shanghai Noon, Reign of Fire, Gone in 60 Seconds, High Fidelity, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, Unbreakable, Pearl Harbor, Bubble Boy, Starship Troopers (for camp credit), The Waterboy and of course for all you goth whiners, The Nightmare Before Christmas is ALSO a Disney film.
Yeah there's a few good ones there but also a LOT of bad. Pretty Woman, War Horse, High Fidelity, and the Santa Clause don't really give me Star Wars hope.
But at the same time they did Tron so.
I think what they make will be overall solid. Don't expect anything remotely dark though. The enemy will be droids I guarantee. Best way of adding battles and explosions without offending the younglings with death.
Disney's been involved with the Diehard franchise.... I'm jest saying, and those are all good movies, Santa Clause is pretty much the only one of them that's kid friendly to boot. Disney handles material for "mature adults" all the time, so I'm sure they can handle starwars which is targeted somewhere in between adults and kids and always has been.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
paulson games wrote: I think you're confusing the merchandising with other figures, based on Bloomberg's article: "If released today, the last three “Star Wars” films would have each generated $1.5 billion on average when adjusting for inflation, the expanded movie market. Sales of related merchandise will total about $215 million this year, and Lucasfilm earned $550 million in operating profit in 2005, when the last movie, “Revenge of the Sith,” came out, Disney said in its statement."
Big differance between 215 million for the merch and the 1.5 billion you are claming. (NY Times also cites the yearly merch total as being $215mil)
No, I'm basing it off the statement in the Forbes article "According to John Singh, a spokesman for Lucasfilm, Star Wars merchandise and videogames earned $1.5 billion in revenue last year".
If you look at the average big budget special effects movies drop 80 million or more into special effects, much of that budget goes to ILM. If ILM does several films a year thats a huge chunk of additional profit they make off record setters movies like Titanic, Avatar, etc. Plus it also slashes their in house costs for Disney films, like the Pirates movies for example.
There are a number of movies every year with big budgets, and much of that is spent on special effects. But even if we pretend that the special effects budget for every other movie went to ILM, it still doesn't come close to the merchandising value of Star Wars.
Disney, Lucasfilm and ILM by extension have been basically printing money together for a long time. Now that George is getting up there in years it makes total sense they are bring everything under one roof so it doesn't get split up by his retirement or passing.
Did you see the other piece of news, where Disney is in talks for the purchase of Hasbro. It's consistent with the strategy of buying major merchandising companies.
I mean, seriously, as far as corporate strategy goes this couldn't be clearer.
Somebody on the radio was saying that Disney haven't had an original idea in their entire history. Their early success was built on fairy tales, they took over Pixal and Marvel, and now they've got Star Wars. There's a lesson here...
Yeah. The hope is that they learnt from Marvel, and are willing to give their creative types a lot of freedom in planning out their film schedule, and in making those films.
The problem, I think, is that Marvel had a wealth of comic book stories that were ripe for translation for the big screen, whereas Star Wars has one story that is big screen material (the original trilogy), and a bunch of other stories that work well in easier to please markets (computer games, penny dreadful novels).
I would honestly be surprised if these new Star Wars movies have much of a story to tell.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 03:28:46
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Lets just get something straight here.
This Star Wars trilogy WILL make money. People will like it, and even if they don't they WILL still go watch it.
Star Wars is like Crack. Once you get hooked there's nothing for it. Its going to happen. Except now instead of lining the pockets of George Flukus it will go into the massive entertainment factory that is Disney. Thereby ensuring we will have Star Wars for the next couple centuries.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Although Mickey Mouse and all his friends are original. The only original ideas Disney will ever have, but thats ok.
The company really went downhill after Walt died.
Well, while buying other people's ideas is nothing to be proud of, it is a lot better than standard operating practice under Walt Disney, which was to take fairy tales existing in public domain, tell the story and then attempt to assume IP over that story wherever possible.
My friends and I got through most of that movie by cracking jokes, and ended up rolling on the ground in laughter when the guy started giving the speach about safety and seatbelts at the end. People think that was a good movie?
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 03:32:46
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
And the original Disney movies were the best.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Yeah there's a few good ones there but also a LOT of bad. Pretty Woman, War Horse, High Fidelity, and the Santa Clause don't really give me Star Wars hope.
But at the same time they did Tron so.
None of that means a thing.
The days of studio heads taking control of individual films and making sure the films coming out under their logo had a certain level of quality and a certain consistancy in tone ended in the 60s.
What matters is who worked on a movie, and I can tell you that all the people that came together to make Pretty Woman or War Horse or whatever went their seperate ways afterwards, and whether or not they ended up working on another Disney movie would be entirey coincidental. It's likely that Julia Roberts didn't even know that final studio control was coming from an organisation owned by Disney.
Also, High Fidelity was a terrific movie.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 03:39:33
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
This Star Wars trilogy WILL make money. People will like it, and even if they don't they WILL still go watch it.
Star Wars is like Crack. Once you get hooked there's nothing for it. Its going to happen. Except now instead of lining the pockets of George Flukus it will go into the massive entertainment factory that is Disney. Thereby ensuring we will have Star Wars for the next couple centuries.
Absolutely.
What I hate most of all is I'll see a preview, it'll play that music, have some cool images... and I'll be tempted. Then I'll read some puff piece, and even knowing it was basically corporate advertising, it'll still make me think the movie might be okay. And so I'll go see it.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 03:56:57
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Bromsy wrote: Guh, you just reminded me Surrogates exists. What a stupid film.
Stupid and pointless, definitely.
It had a good idea behind it, but just didn't quite seem to know what to do with it.
It had a vaguely interesting concept, which was completely shat upon by whoever got involved after that. I mean, Luddite reservations over which the Federal Government ceded any authority and allowed the abeyance of a bunch of laws including destruction of personal property and such. Just stupid.
2012/11/06 05:01:49
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Ahtman wrote: It had a good idea behind it, but just didn't quite seem to know what to do with it.
Yeah, an interesting idea that was let down by a completely terrible script.
They were obviously trying to make some kind of commentary on people today pulling back from risk, and trying to have it so that when Bruce Willis realised that by living through a surrogate he was missing out on life, the audience was meant to realise our safe lives meant we were too. And in a better script, that might have worked, but instead they just said 'surrogates don't give as much stimulus as real life'... which basically meant the only thing being criticised was the fictional technology that won't ever exist in the real world.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: It's put off as worse then it was, but it wasn't Platoon or Big Red One for sure.
It was pretty awful. I like Spike Lee, and thought it was great to show black soldiers in WWII, so I picked this one out for me and my mates to watch. I ended up apologising for that movie for a long time...
I mean, how many movies were we watching? There was the racist white commanders sending black troops off with indifference, then there was the magic little kid, then there was the unit trapped in a small town, then there was the Nazis hunting that one partisan, then there was the towns people, and finally that plot about the run away Nazi who saw the massacre, and it was all framed by this murder investigation. And to end with scene on the beach, and the speach inventing seat belts or whatever that guy was going on about.
I'm honestly surprised the film isn't more notorious.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 05:53:43
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Stolen from a recent article I read about Spike Lee films.
After a strong run of films in the ’00s (25th Hour, Inside Man, When The Levees Broke), Lee’s 2008 WWII film, Miracle At St. Anna, was a botch of the first order: a movie that telegraphs its leadenness in its first 10 minutes, and departs two-and-a-half hours later having left behind two or three memorable scenes. (And even the worst Spike Lee Joints have more than three memorable scenes.) St. Anna starts with a crime in the ’80s, then jumps back to Italy in 1944, when a band of “Buffalo Soldiers” were being used to bait the Nazis in Italy. The film tells the story of one platoon that gets involved in a standoff between the local fascists, the partisan rebels, and the Nazis. On paper, all of this sounds like a fine idea for a movie, but Terence Blanchard’s relentlessly mournful score, the routine-to-the-point-of-cliché battle scenes, and the broad comic relief all prove hard to endure. St. Anna stabilizes after a damn near excruciating first hour, and becomes merely a middling war movie with a heightened social consciousness. But for long stretches, the film plays like School Daze transplanted to the European front, with the token militant, the token uplift-the-race type, and the token buffoon all marching desultorily toward Checkpoint Irony.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2012/11/06 07:25:53
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Ahtman wrote: Stolen from a recent article I read about Spike Lee films.
Yeah, Spike Lee really was just bizarrely off his game. I mean, after what was probably his most disciplined effort with Inside Man, it was really surprising to end up watching a movie with so many unnecessary sub-plots barely linked together.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 08:02:38
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
generalgrog wrote: I'm curious, besides this 4.5 Billion..how much money has Lucas made form Star Wars since 1977?
My Google Fu isn't working...
GG
Prior to this deal, according to Forbes as of March this year, Lucas was worth somewhere between three and four billion. Most of that has come from various Star Wars products.
Another Forbes article said Star Wars has generated about $20 billion in Star Wars revenue over the course of its life.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2012/11/06 15:55:10
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Of course the question now is what is George going to do with all that money? He won't be making star wars movies anymore.
Maybe he'll just toss it in a swimming pool and he'll just lounge around for the rest of his sorry sad life.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Don't let disney claim credit for TRON, they tried pretty hard to see it crash and burn. The original that is, not the steaming pile that is the new one.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2012/11/06 16:50:35
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Grey Templar wrote: Of course the question now is what is George going to do with all that money? He won't be making star wars movies anymore.
He said he is giving a lot of it to charity and scholarship funds. Lucas also said he would somehow still manage on just a billion or two laying around, at least until winter arrives.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2012/11/06 17:55:17
Subject: Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
Incidentally, The Lion King was a shameless ripoff of a Japanese anime film, Kimba the White Lion. Several of the scenes were almost direct clones.
Oops. Nice work Disney.
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/11/06 17:58:30
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
d-usa wrote: This will get worse before it gets better...
Spoiler:
Freakin epic
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
d-usa wrote: This will get worse before it gets better...
For the benefit of those who can't watch videos ATM (IE me, I'm using my PSVita) what is this?
Squigsquasher, resident ban magnet, White Knight, and general fethwit.
buddha wrote: I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition!
2012/11/06 18:15:44
Subject: Re:Disney buying Lucasfilm for $4.05 Billion.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Its all the Disney Princesses welcoming Leia into their group.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
If anything, some people at Disney were glad the day he died!
